Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
I would counter that - in theory yes maybe the UK Govts (Labour, Conservative and Coalition) would have been this evil regime that did everything in its powers to hurt employees, women, put up taxes etc.

Or instead - in recent years - the raising of the income tax allowance to 12k, first the minimum wage, now the Living wage etc etc.

My only small point being is that it doesnt take an EU commission to make laws - we are capable and have been provenm to be capable of passing laws on our own - without having to bung the EU 10 Billion NET a year - that's all - just a simple point.

International container storage system - now used the world over - has eased shipping to an almost childlike ease. That didn't involve the EU, or a commissioner making the law etc, it was done as the person who invented it waived his copyright.

We dont need an additional 5 new countries to join the EU, we didnt want TTIP, an EU defence force or for France and the UK to concede their UN security council seats in favour an EU one etc etc etc.

All the countries of the European area need is a system where they can trade freely amongst one another, if they want to use their own 'wholesale traders' currency - that's up to them. We need a system that means corporations pay tax on the product sold where the customer lives - not in Ireland or Luxembourg - common sense in my book - but the EU wont change - so it seems the people will change it for them.

I had lunch yesterday with an ex work colleague - she works for a software company in the netherlands - for her - the feeling on the streets of Utrecht - is the same anti EU sentiment as there was here. Unless the EU addresses this - there will never be harmony - in my small humble and on the whole irrelevant opinion.
Your last para sums up why they have payed a hard game with May and co ,they must be terrified of us being successful, hence the spin , enticing in Labour comment , I think they want the divorce bill and add on' s to be so terrifying, that others like Holland would not consider going there .

I voted to stay in , however I am beginning to doubt it as I view in real timd the hierarchy make up and
Its brow beating , it's very big brother and bullish ,run by two countries Germany and France.

I still disagree on the points of employee law and Welsh investment though .