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He will never ever ever learn.
He didn’t learn at City. Didn’t learn at Middlesbrough, at Bournemouth or at Peterborough.
He has the talent of a Premier League player.
He has the attitude and fitness of a Sunday pub league player.
This is why he is pissing his career up against the wall.
A fantastically gifted player but an unfit waste of space as a bloke.
Such a shame.
What Cardiff are seeing is what umpteen other clubs have seen.
I have a REALLY hard time believing that Neil Warnock would sign a man with the attitude and fitness of a Sunday pub league player.Originally Posted by Jursset_BrisCity
I have a hard time believing Lee Johnson would sign a man with the attitude and fitness of a Sunday pub league player. Especially after having him on loan.
I can see how you could be seduced into having a controversial and critical opinion though. You just seem like that kind of guy.
Why would you not believe that? Virtually every manager believes thay can turn a player around; it's how risk averse they are.
What we know is that throughout his career, there have been major documented fitness issues, there have been dressing room bustups.
Warnock has decided Tomlin is worth the risk. If it pays off is the question, can Tomlin avoid outstaying his welcome as he has done everywhere he's been.
Firstly, I don't believe that "virtually every manager believes they can turn a player around". There's no evidence to support that statement.
Secondly, where are the "major documented fitness issues"? His body-type notwithstanding, he's made plenty of appearances at other clubs.
Lastly, I'm of the opinion that Warnock is neither the type of manager nor in the position to openly take risks of the magnitude of signing someone with "the attitude and fitness of a Sunday pub league player". Particularly for the reported £2.9M fee.
Firstly, all managers have confidence in their ability at man management or they'd not be doing it...
Secondly, every single club Tomlin has been at his fitness has been an issue.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...r-Arsenal.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ed/9001984.stm
http://www.insidewalessport.co.uk/ne...ls-lee-tomlin/
Tomlin has played games, sure, plenty as sub.
There's a clear pattern. Every club he's been at there have been issues, fitness, attitude.
Warnock has shot down the £2.9m fee, figure I recall was nearer £1.5m - which is a bargain if he achieves his maximum potential.
Tomlin has all the skill in the world. I'd love him out there, every single game for every single minute. Reality is, you have to look at everything. Since his Peterborough stint, he's started at a new club and done well, been beloved only to be offloaded after the second season. I'm suggesting there are reasons for that. Like I said, all the skill in the world, able to change a game in a second yet teams are happy to get rid of him.
This is realistically his last chance at really achieving something at the highest level imo. I hate seeing quality players wasting their talent, which he's done throughout his career. He's at a club where the manager is second to none in terms of man management. If he can't turn things around here then I'd suggest he's done at top level. I hope that he does as it would be a shame on a number of levels.
This thread began with NW knowingly signing someone with the "attitude and fitness of a Sunday pub league player" and has ended up with "all managers have confidence in their ability at man-management". Quite a step down.
As for the articles you posted:
The first is from the Daily Mail. The second is from the start of season in which Tomlin played 47 games. The third is from this week.
We know Tomlin is not match fit. What's up for debate is whether Neil Warnock knowingly signed a lost cause.
He will be gone in January.
Waste of talent but equally a waste of space.
League 1 beckons.
The fee for Tomlin was £1.6m, as confirmed verbally by NW last week. Dont believe what you read in the press. Thats a snip at today's inflated prices and well worth a manager taking a chance on him. It would cost that in loan fees to get even a second rate player in.
The Tomlin we had on loan was not the Tomlin that played the 2nd season as a BCFC player.
It’s almost as if we signed a doppelgänger who was a stone heavier and a yard slower.
So yes I think Johnson was right to sign the player he did and offload the player he did.
What went on in between I have no idea.
But it was against Burton at home. When he again lost the ball, strolled back as they attacked and watched Aden Flint cover half the pitch to get back and clean up Tomlins error before berating him that I realized he probably needs to not be in the team.
Still sad he left, because he has potential.
I just don’t think he’ll ever realise it.
How did the Bristol City fans react to him moving to Cardiff?
They were gutted as was I.
Because as I said he has bucket loads of natural talent and can do things that aren’t picked up by training.
But something also wasn’t right.
He wasn’t getting in the team. Why is a player of that much talent not even getting in the starting line up or even getting on?
There were rumours he had a set-to in the changing room with Johnson or McAllister.
I recall coming back from a game up north and running into AFC Bournemouth fans at service station when he was in his first season with us.
They asked how Tomlin was doing.
I heard “thing is his attitude with us was fkin awful and his fitness was bullshit. In the end Eddie Howe had enough and told him to **** off out the club”
I think majority of fans felt like me. I wish he sorted his fitness out and his attitude (I saw him stroll back after losing the ball any number of times) because he has undoubted ability.
That’s why I was gutted more for his potential than what he was doing - which last season was warming the bench.
If Warnock wanted to give us £2m+ then I’d begrudgingly say the club were right to take it.
While social media isn’t everything.
Notable that Tammy Abraham got well wishes from at least 80% of the squad when he left.
Tomlin I think got one from John Pemberton the former coach and maybe Mark Little.
Like I said I think he’s a superbly gifted player but obviously a bit of a tool personality wise.
That many clubs don’t move you on without a reason?
It must be christmas,a post that could be correct from you.But he is our player now and i think we will get the best out of him
That's quite sad, if true.
Have no idea whether he enjoys the 'respect' of the Cardiff squad.
Obviously everyone was very happy when he rescued a point at Reading and assisted Bamba's winner against Hull.
For a professional footballer he does look out of condition, and perhaps the only way he can alter his image is to get more game time. Thought he would start yesterday against Bolton, especially after his display against Hull.
Why do you insist in posting childish rubbish when you are capable of posting a decent message such as this?
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