UK manufacturing output at its highest for 10 years

[David Vincent]

There is a chart in the link below which shows that in 2016 UK industry used a third of the energy industry used in 1970. If we are making twice as much stuff today as we did then you would expect us to be using more energy not less. It could be that we are using energy more efficiently and of course there is less heavy industry nowadays but I don't think that explains how we could be producing twice as much with a third of the energy.

They are just lying to us for the fun of it.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/five-cha...ergy-last-year

[cyril evans awaydays]

There is a chart in the link below which shows that in 2016 UK industry used a third of the energy industry used in 1970. If we are making twice as much stuff today as we did then you would expect us to be using more energy not less. It could be that we are using energy more efficiently and of course there is less heavy industry nowadays but I don't think that explains how we could be producing twice as much with a third of the energy.

They are just lying to us for the fun of it.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/five-cha...ergy-last-year

Doesn't answer the output side of your question but this extract of the attached study analyses the question on the reduction of energy input.

Character of the Industrial Sector
The current situation in regard to energy use in UK industry and its recent historic development can obviously in
fluence the potential for future improvements. Thus, since the 1973 oil price hike, industry has been the only sector of the UK economy to have experienced a dramatic decline in final energy demand of roughly 50% in the period 1973
–2007 (prior to the global economic slump of 2008). This was in spite of a rise of some 15% in the real gross value added (GVA) of industry over the same period. The consequent drop in aggregate energy intensity (defined as energy use per unit of economic output) is driven by different effects:

Energy efficiency:
A large part of the decline in industrial energy intensity can be attributed to energy efficiency improvements; an estimated 80% of the fall in industrial energy demand between 1970 and 1995 resulted from this.

Structural change:
The relative size of industrial subsectors has changed with a transition away from EI industries.

Fuel switching:
Coal and oil use has steadily declined in favor of cleaner fuels, such as electricity and gas. These cleaner fuels can be
used with a higher degree of control and so are more efficient than alternatives. Additionally, when examining primary energy demand, the increase in the efficiency of electricity generation (largely caused by fuel switching in favor of nat-
ural gas) will have the effect of lowering primary energy use.

http://ciemap.leeds.ac.uk/wp-content...-reduction.pdf

[MOZZER2]

yes life on mars great news but lets look at why

on the face of it manufacturing is booming right now and has been for the last 5 years . the 2 major industries that has seen massive growth is aerospace and the automotive industries . can't speak for the aerospace industry but i can for the automotive industry . been working in the industry for the last 4 years and all the main players in this area are concentrated in the midlands . every single car manufacturer in that area is now full with workers from eastern european countries . the last place i worked 90 per cent were eastern european and you could only get a job through an agency

sounds great doesen't when you say manufacturing is booming in the uk with record output but the majority of people that actually that assemble cars and parts are non british . perhaps this is the reason the uk voted out with brexit ?

to me the only way to keep manufacturing in good shape all the supply chains that the automotive industry rely on from abroad is to move them to the uk then we will see a real manufacturing base in our country than just an assembly manufacturing country . the devalue of the pound makes this a real possibilty then we can see a real uk manufacturing base in the uk then we can invest in young people to take on real engineering apprenticeships giving youngsters a life long free of debt

as for engineers the uk lost 15 years where the uk didn't invest at all so now all the major players are crying they don't have enough qualified engineers in this country . i blame all the government parties for this when all manufacturing was shipped out to low cost countries now we have an upsurge in this country . as this is my area i could go on forever what's wrong with manufacturing in this country but i don't want to bore you to death !

no doubt electric cars will now have a massive effect in jobs by losing and creating thousands of jobs in the car industry . nobody knows what's going to happen in reality . i,m not too concerned with robots in manufacturing as they have been used for the last 30 years but i can see people working in general office work and retail a massive change

[David Vincent]

yes life on mars great news but lets look at why

on the face of it manufacturing is booming right now and has been for the last 5 years . the 2 major industries that has seen massive growth is aerospace and the automotive industries . can't speak for the aerospace industry but i can for the automotive industry . been working in the industry for the last 4 years and all the main players in this area are concentrated in the midlands . every single car manufacturer in that area is now full with workers from eastern european countries . the last place i worked 90 per cent were eastern european and you could only get a job through an agency

sounds great doesen't when you say manufacturing is booming in the uk with record output but the majority of people that actually that assemble cars and parts are non british . perhaps this is the reason the uk voted out with brexit ?

to me the only way to keep manufacturing in good shape all the supply chains that the automotive industry rely on from abroad is to move them to the uk then we will see a real manufacturing base in our country than just an assembly manufacturing country . the devalue of the pound makes this a real possibilty then we can see a real uk manufacturing base in the uk then we can invest in young people to take on real engineering apprenticeships giving youngsters a life long free of debt

as for engineers the uk lost 15 years where the uk didn't invest at all so now all the major players are crying they don't have enough qualified engineers in this country . i blame all the government parties for this when all manufacturing was shipped out to low cost countries now we have an upsurge in this country . as this is my area i could go on forever what's wrong with manufacturing in this country but i don't want to bore you to death !

no doubt electric cars will now have a massive effect in jobs by losing and creating thousands of jobs in the car industry . nobody knows what's going to happen in reality . i,m not too concerned with robots in manufacturing as they have been used for the last 30 years but i can see people working in general office work and retail a massive change

The government officially gave up on the British workers many decades ago. They weren't breeding fast enough so they imported millions of fast breeders. They weren't working hard enough so they imported millions of harder workers.

Why is it that employers and the government can say that East Europeans are better educated, more flexible and are harder workers than British workers? This is almost certainly a true claim but any claims that the British are superior in any way are now thought crimes which can lead to a prison sentence.

[Eric Cartman]

The government officially gave up on the British workers many decades ago. They weren't breeding fast enough so they imported millions of fast breeders. They weren't working hard enough so they imported millions of harder workers.

Why is it that employers and the government can say that East Europeans are better educated, more flexible and are harder workers than British workers? This is almost certainly a true claim but any claims that the British are superior in any way are now thought crimes which can lead to a prison sentence.

If this were true you would be in prison for about 100 consecutive life sentences. I know people like you don't like to acknowledge it, but the reality is that you can and do say whatever you want to.

Stop playing the victim, it is boring to have to constantly stumble across it in threads.

[David Vincent]

If this were true you would be in prison for about 100 consecutive life sentences. I know people like you don't like to acknowledge it, but the reality is that you can and do say whatever you want to.

Stop playing the victim, it is boring to have to constantly stumble across it in threads.

Eric get your head out of the sand and take the red pill. If we weren't posting anonymously then many of the sensible posters on here would have been arrested. If what we say in private was said in the presence of a policeman we would be arrested. The police in the UK are more interested in political thought crimes than they are in crimes against property and people. The UK police just function as private security guards and spies for our elite class.

[David Vincent]

Doesn't answer the output side of your question but this extract of the attached study analyses the question on the reduction of energy input.

http://ciemap.leeds.ac.uk/wp-content...-reduction.pdf

Thanks for the link. The paper is mainly waffle but the key claim is that 80% of the reduction of energy use is due to improved energy efficiency. There is no evidence given for this claim and it goes against the Jevons Paradox : improved efficiency means more fuel use not less.

"Economists have observed that consumers tend to travel more when their cars are more fuel efficient, causing a 'rebound' in the demand for fuel."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox

I thought this quote from the paper about energy efficiency in the concrete industry was telling :

"However, now that there are no wet kiln types left in the UK, further potential for reducing energy demand in this manner is limited".

To me it is obvious that industry is using less energy because we are making less stuff. It is only when you start questioning official stats that you can move on to the big lies they are telling us about immigration, Islam, Syria and the supposed Russian threat.