Bale has missed 6 of the last 7 Friendlies and Wenger pulled Ramsey out of last Friendly against Panama where 20thousand went missing?
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Bale has missed 6 of the last 7 Friendlies and Wenger pulled Ramsey out of last Friendly against Panama where 20thousand went missing?
Bale has suffered injuries. Injuries that caused him to miss quite a few games for Real. I might be wrong, I'm sure you could list Real games where Bale played 4 days after missing a friendly?Originally Posted by Ianto13
As for Ramsey, FAW and Coleman both stated he was only going to play the one friendly - days earlier against France - due to his workload for Arsenal. Massive difference to your claim.
Bale always plays for Wales when fit.
It's a cracker isn't it.This thread is bananas. The most decorated player in British football is not a perfectionist, even though he managed himself both mentally and physically to play and win trophies for over 20 years at the very top. In winning all those trophies he still does not have as much of a winning mentality as someone whos won a measly league cup, and only won the many, many trophies he did over a 20 year period because of the players he played with, even though he was the one common donominator in all of Fergies success and he won more than any of his team mates.
Prolonged his United career :thumb:
So you're saying that when he was missing games for us in his teens and early twenties, he was doing it to prolong his club career?
Was it Giggs or Ferguson that had the winning mentality?
Did OGS have it? did Gary Neville? Beckham? Keane?
Well of course, at least visually, Keane did but none of those Man Utd players have gone on to be great leaders of others - the best is Steve Bruce who manages in The Championship and no top Premier League club has even had a pint on him
It’s a complete lottery with the choices the FAW has/had with Osian the only one with any coaching pedigree at all (unless you count Joke City).
To me what got Coleman there (apart from Bale) was his passion about being Welsh - he is of course a Jack just like Hartson so did have a battle with Is bluebirds (one in particular 😀).
I can’t imagine Giggs using Bale’s quote at the euros about all he needed was the dragon on his chest as motivation, whereas I can pictures Bellamy doing and saying exactly the same thing
They all had it. They were all winners. With the amount of trophies they won thats not just down the manager, the players have to have the same mentality. With all that they won, I dont see how anyone can argue any different.
Wether they go on to have a good management careers is another matter, complete seperate entity to wether they had the winning mentality. It all depends on the environment in which they are allowed to manage.
Since the Premier League and the money involved its fashionable to employ foreign coaches, especially in the top jobs. The premier league and Sky Sports have made players, British players in particular, very, very wealthy and they dont need to have the stress of a managers job. Look at the money Neville, Carragher and Henry are earning at Sky. Why swap that for grey hair and ageing in dog years? Jose Mourinho was the picture of health when he first arrived in this country, very handsome man (not in a gay way). 15 years later he looks half dead.
I applaud the likes of Giggs, Bellamy, Gerrard.etc for looking to go into management when they dont have to. Theyve all got TV work and it would be far easier for them to go down that route.
Players from the PL era are probably wealthy enough to not have to work ever again once they stop playing. I always thought that managers would start coming from lower-league playing careers as the PL millionaires would retire to an island somewhere. It is impressive that football is such an important part of their lives that they simply can't give it up.
During the years in the doldrums, I always thought Wales should be run more as a club side. It was difficult, though, when so many players (including Giggs) withdrew from training camps. Can you remember that tournament involving Malta, Tunisia and some other country? Wales had to call up Karl Ready ffs - there was no hint of togetherness.
Now, we get fewer players pulling out, largely due to the lack of friendlies, and using training camps instead. I hope that continues, but the FAW know they can make some decent money through friendlies and maybe Giggs is happy to have friendlies instead of training camps. If Wales go back down the friendlies route, I'm concerned that there will be less appetite for players travelling to places and risking injuries, and there goes the club spirit that Wales currently enjoys.
Bellamy is the natural heir to Gary Speed's legacy, and with Osian Roberts as No.2 there would have been minimal disruption.
This
Ryan Giggs - an absolutely phenomenal football player, but also one of the most uninspiring people I have ever heard talking about football.
This.
Being a great player has nothing to do with becoming a great manager.
Bobby Charlton and Bobby Moore were both rubbish.
Giggs might prove to be the same.
Paul Scholes to replace Osian Roberts as assistant manager?
I'm 32. I don't know his whole history for club and country, I'm basing my opi ion on his layer years I guess.
The WaRrIoR is getting a little confused.
Grow up. You've got be be at least 50 with a wife and kids.
Neither has shagging your brothers wife or turning up for friendly games, seems to be a factor on his ability among loads on here and the Facebook live stream of his press conference.
Meanwhile stoke have appointed the great Paul Lambert to keep them in the premier league 😂😂😂
Even if we agree that Giggs has a winning mentality, the important thing is whether he can pass it on to his players or not. I find it difficult to picture him doing that.
Genuine question.
Would you have been just as pissed of with Giggs missing friendlies if he had been playing for another,maybe less high profile club than Man U? with a less combative manager than Fergie?
Personally i always felt more let down when lesser players, who could have put a stake down and showed what they were capable of pulled out of the squad. We all knew what Giggs could do at any given time so 45mins or so against some minnows wouldnt have been a great deal of help to the management.
Maybe im remembering wrongly but im sure someone like James Collins pulling out of many a squad with a day or so's notice and quite a few others with far less fuss and bother.
Yes turning up for every game shows great commitment but would that have affected our qualifying chances at any stage of his playing career with Wales?
I felt Giggs laid down a marker, for the rest of the squad, these matches then felt worthless, and that feeling flowed into all the other players and eventually the fans.
Giggs didn't play a friendly for 9 years. No friendlies are pointless, you improve your FIFA ranking you get put in better pots for International tournaments, you make qualification a bit easier.
Recently we haven't played that many friendlies, which i believe is sensible, but when we have, the spirit and the commitment of the squad cannot be questioned.
If you look at Ronaldo (147 caps) and Messi (123 caps) it shows that you can play international football and compete at the very highest level.
Things have changed since his playing time and im sure i read fairly recently that playing the wrong type of friendlies these days worsens your rankings,which is why we had the trainging camps instead. I personally think he would have been available for most of these camps if they were done then as he wouldhave been in a contained enviroment that would have suited Man U and Fergie better.
Remember we didnt have a pot to pissin as an association in those days so someone like Giggs getting injured on international duty was probably something the FAW feared so didnt try to force the issue with the club.
That may be the case now, but it certainly wasn't when Giggs was playing.
Friendlies were meaningless then.
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