Giggs on the brink of Wales appointment

[ccfc_is_my_life]

Genuine question.
Would you have been just as pissed of with Giggs missing friendlies if he had been playing for another,maybe less high profile club than Man U? with a less combative manager than Fergie?
Personally i always felt more let down when lesser players, who could have put a stake down and showed what they were capable of pulled out of the squad. We all knew what Giggs could do at any given time so 45mins or so against some minnows wouldnt have been a great deal of help to the management.
Maybe im remembering wrongly but im sure someone like James Collins pulling out of many a squad with a day or so's notice and quite a few others with far less fuss and bother.
Yes turning up for every game shows great commitment but would that have affected our qualifying chances at any stage of his playing career with Wales?

Giggs set the example. Can cite Collins and others all you like - Giggs was the first to regularly withdraw for fake injuries. Can't claim one rule for Giggs and another for the rest.

Compare and contrast with Bale. Bale misses Real games due to injury. Giggs had claimed hamstring problems yet was ready to play 3-4 days later.

[Charlie]

Giggs set the example. Can cite Collins and others all you like - Giggs was the first to regularly withdraw for fake injuries. Can't claim one rule for Giggs and another for the rest.

Compare and contrast with Bale. Bale misses Real games due to injury. Giggs had claimed hamstring problems yet was ready to play 3-4 days later.

But thats the point,how many others claimed fake injuries just to play again within the week but the player was less high profile and playing for a less high profile club.
We could have forced the issue but then that may have backfired when we really need a player to turn up. 9 times out of 10 i would say it was the club pulling players out but the player taking the blame, idont think we had anyone in the set up who had the balls to face up to Fergie at that time.

[ccfc_is_my_life]

But thats the point,how many others claimed fake injuries just to play again within the week but the player was less high profile and playing for a less high profile club.
We could have forced the issue but then that may have backfired when we really need a player to turn up. 9 times out of 10 i would say it was the club pulling players out but the player taking the blame, idont think we had anyone in the set up who had the balls to face up to Fergie at that time.

I'd say few did because those low profile players had less ability to do so. Easier for FAW to threaten a lesser team with sanctions than Man Yoo.

[Charlie]

I'd say few did because those low profile players had less ability to do so. Easier for FAW to threaten a lesser team with sanctions than Man Yoo.

I think in the end it comes down to you view friendly matches.
For me they fall into 2 categories, you have the high profile game against a large football nation with,hopfully a superstar or two to put bums on seats and make some money or you have a game against a lesser nation to try out other players in a match situation which is ,more or less a training game that you charge the public to watch.
I wouldn't expect to see a full strength Welsh team in the latter in the same way as i wouldnt expect to see a full strength city team in the first round of the league cup.

[J R Hartley]

Genuine question.
Would you have been just as pissed of with Giggs missing friendlies if he had been playing for another,maybe less high profile club than Man U? with a less combative manager than Fergie?
Personally i always felt more let down when lesser players, who could have put a stake down and showed what they were capable of pulled out of the squad. We all knew what Giggs could do at any given time so 45mins or so against some minnows wouldnt have been a great deal of help to the management.
Maybe im remembering wrongly but im sure someone like James Collins pulling out of many a squad with a day or so's notice and quite a few others with far less fuss and bother.
Yes turning up for every game shows great commitment but would that have affected our qualifying chances at any stage of his playing career with Wales?

Everyone in British football was shit scared of Fergie, his players, the refs, the FA. The notion that a young Ryan Giggs should have stood up to him just as his career was taking off so he could play in some meaningless games for Wales is laughable.

Perhaps Giggs should have stood up for himself, who knows, he might have ended up having a career like Michael Owen.

When Giggs first burst on the scene Fergie was clearly looking after one of his prize assets. Then towards the end he dropped out of meaningless games and eventually retired to prolong his club career. Your club career pays the bills after all.

[ccfc_is_my_life]

Everyone in British football was shit scared of Fergie, his players, the refs, the FA. The notion that a young Ryan Giggs should have stood up to him just as his career was taking off so he could play in some meaningless games for Wales is laughable.

Perhaps Giggs should have stood up for himself, who knows, he might have ended up having a career like Michael Owen.

When Giggs first burst on the scene Fergie was clearly looking after one of his prize assets. Then towards the end he dropped out of meaningless games and eventually retired to prolong his club career. Your club career pays the bills after all.

But surely winners with winning mentalities would be alpha males, huh? I mean what would Fergie do? Sell one of his best players to spite his face? Not pay him at Man Yoo? Giggs was utterly complicit in missing Welsh games. I can really imagine Fergie telling Keane to tell the FAI to sod off...

In reality the FAW bottled it. Should have applied the rules and forced Giggs to be evaluated fully by FAW staff.

[J R Hartley]

But surely winners with winning mentalities would be alpha males, huh? I mean what would Fergie do? Sell one of his best players to spite his face? Not pay him at Man Yoo? Giggs was utterly complicit in missing Welsh games. I can really imagine Fergie telling Keane to tell the FAI to sod off...

In reality the FAW bottled it. Should have applied the rules and forced Giggs to be evaluated fully by FAW staff.

Please stop calling them Man Yoo it makes you sound about 9.

Fergie sold many of his best players after falling out with them. Staam, Van Nistlerooy, Beckham, Keane when he challenged his authority, albeit on the way down.

[ccfc_is_my_life]

Please stop calling them Man Yoo it makes you sound about 9.

Fergie sold many of his best players after falling out with them. Staam, Van Nistlerooy, Beckham, Keane when he challenged his authority, albeit on the way down.

Sorry for insulting your favourite team.

So are you thus implying alpha male winning mentality Giggs failed at any point to say "sorry Boss, I'm playing for my nation not faking an injury" then? Or are you conceding that for Giggs, staying at Man Yew was the only thing on his mind?

[The Bob Banker Spanker]

Got to get behind him now he has the job.
He’s a Man Utd legend, not a Welsh one.
He now has the opportunity to become a Welsh legend.

[jon1959]

Got to get behind him now he has the job.
He’s a Man Utd legend, not a Welsh one.
He now has the opportunity to become a Welsh legend.

Agreed. Not my choice but the decision has been made. Let's get behind him and the team and hope it's an inspired appointment.

[William Treseder]

Grow up. You've got be be at least 50 with a wife and kids.

LeAdEr!

[Barry Shitpeas]

Well he’s got the job now hasn’t he. We’ll just have to hope he’s more enthusiastic than he looks, (I’ve always thought he constantly looks like someone who’s trying to remember where he left his keys).

[dembethewarrior]

This, I took 3 / 4 days off work ( sometimes without pay ) to go and watch Wales around Europe

Friendlies or Games that were meaningless ( due to failed qualifications ) It didnt matter to me, i was going to support my Country, Cheer on the team.

When you learnt that Giggs had pulled out of the squad ( pre internet days ) despite playing for Man Utd on Saturday , it became a bit of a joke, almost expected, how can a player think so little of his country that he couldnt be arsed to play ( i know i have mentioned i represented Wales in Judo ) you have no greater honour to represent your country in sport, it should be the pinnacle, it just wasnt for him, so how can he expect respect from todays players ? ? ? Saying " Oh I won this and that for man utd " will not cut it

Your choice to take unpaid leave and spend the money though isn't it.

[blue matt]

Your choice to take unpaid leave and spend the money though isn't it.

It was, you are correct

I might have expected that all the players would turn out, not fake a injury which miraculously disappeared in a few days

unforgivable imho

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

It was, you are correct

I might have expected that all the players would turn out, not fake a injury which miraculously disappeared in a few days

unforgivable imho

He sought advice from Sir Alex before taking the job. Cut the apron strings Ryan.

[ken smith]

He sought advice from Sir Alex before taking the job. Cut the apron strings Ryan.

No he sought advice from Vincent Tan, and he said, they play in Red and have a dragon on their shirt, go for it.

[Nick]

Giggs has never been committed to the cause. Can't see that changing now.

He'll be gone the minute that a struggling premier club is bought out by an Asian consortium and look for a "Big name" management appointment. History will repeat itself.

[ccfc_is_my_life]

Giggs has never been committed to the cause. Can't see that changing now.

He'll be gone the minute that a struggling premier club is bought out by an Asian consortium and look for a "Big name" management appointment. History will repeat itself.

Not sure. All the managerial comings and goings in the Prem since Van Gaal left Man Yew, not a single club considered Giggs.

I don't doubt he'd leave as soon as a club came in for him but the likelihood of a Prem club coming in for him is minimal and lower league clubs are below him...

[Mr Soul '68]

Giggs has never been committed to the cause. Can't see that changing now.

He'll be gone the minute that a struggling premier club is bought out by an Asian consortium and look for a "Big name" management appointment. History will repeat itself.

Or a decent Championship side is taken over by Asian's with more money than sense, decide that they want a 'big name' , and go for Giggs. Look what happend to Brum when they got rid of Rowett and replaced him with that muppet Zola. Look where they are now...Look where Rowett's current team are now. That should be a huge, huge lesson to interfering foreign chairmen, who haven't got a clue

[J R Hartley]

He sought advice from Sir Alex before taking the job. Cut the apron strings Ryan.

He obviously didnt seek advice from Matt on what on honour it is to represent your country

[dembethewarrior]

You asked who he managed. Don't get arsey because you didn't know the answer.

Just read an interesting Gary Neville quote tbh.

Along the lines of his international career was a waste of time, Man Yew was always more important. I'd suspect that was something Ferguson drummed into the young players, couldn't try that crap with Keane. if that was the case, how can Giggs thus tell anyone anything different?

"Oh Ben, I know Klopp doesn't want you playing in these friendlies but it would really be good for you. Yes, Utd was more important for me but wales should be more important for you".

On that score, he's got little credibility if he asks players to do something he was unwilling to do himself.

An awful lot of assumptions in there.

[dembethewarrior]

I don't doubt he would leave.

But I really do doubt he would go in to this job and not be committed to trying his best while he is there.. people making a lot of assumptions.

He's not gonna do a half arsed job, word gets around, better he does there and more positive talk that comes away from the camp with how well he does at certain things, more likely he is to get a better job.

Matt..wasn't a dig mate just sort of pointing out that's all. I can understand the frustration.

[J R Hartley]

I don't doubt he would leave.

But I really do doubt he would go in to this job and not be committed to trying his best while he is there.. people making a lot of assumptions.

He's not gonna do a half arsed job, word gets around, better he does there and more positive talk that comes away from the camp with how well he does at certain things, more likely he is to get a better job.

Matt..wasn't a dig mate just sort of pointing out that's all. I can understand the frustration.

Rather it be a stepping stone than some dinosaur on the way down ala Bobby Gould, or, perish the thought Russell Slade.

[J R Hartley]

I don't doubt he would leave.

But I really do doubt he would go in to this job and not be committed to trying his best while he is there.. people making a lot of assumptions.

He's not gonna do a half arsed job, word gets around, better he does there and more positive talk that comes away from the camp with how well he does at certain things, more likely he is to get a better job.

Matt..wasn't a dig mate just sort of pointing out that's all. I can understand the frustration.

Too much logic there for the Giggs bashers

[blue matt]

I don't doubt he would leave.

But I really do doubt he would go in to this job and not be committed to trying his best while he is there.. people making a lot of assumptions.

He's not gonna do a half arsed job, word gets around, better he does there and more positive talk that comes away from the camp with how well he does at certain things, more likely he is to get a better job.

Matt..wasn't a dig mate just sort of pointing out that's all. I can understand the frustration.

I hope you are right, but for me, its a massive No, for the reasons i have stated

I didnt take it as a dig at all, one of the few things in football ( which was my life at the time, being single and all that ) that really annoyed me