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  1. #1

    Re: Steven Caulker

    If we'd signed Curtis Davies and Hull signed Caulker, the same would have happened. We went down because we were dreadfully disorganised from January onwards, not because of the quality of first teamer we had.

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    Re: Steven Caulker

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    If we'd signed Curtis Davies and Hull signed Caulker, the same would have happened. We went down because we were dreadfully disorganised from January onwards, not because of the quality of first teamer we had.
    We were poor throughout the season, not just after january.
    From an Xg point of view we looked doomed from early days, just a few surprising results kept us above the waterline, but that was never sustainable.

    Caulker was a bit of a gamble, if he had fulfilled his potential and became a mainstay for England he would have been worth many times what we paid for him. He didn't and with hindsight we would have been better off signing some hardened veteran defender who might only have a couple of seasons left in him, but would have been a guaranteed performer.

    Exactly the same gamble we made with Cornelius. Neither came off.

    As it happens I dont mind that particular kind of gamble, if we went up again.

  3. #3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    We were poor throughout the season, not just after january.
    From an Xg point of view we looked doomed from early days, just a few surprising results kept us above the waterline, but that was never sustainable.

    Caulker was a bit of a gamble, if he had fulfilled his potential and became a mainstay for England he would have been worth many times what we paid for him. He didn't and with hindsight we would have been better off signing some hardened veteran defender who might only have a couple of seasons left in him, but would have been a guaranteed performer.

    Exactly the same gamble we made with Cornelius. Neither came off.

    As it happens I dont mind that particular kind of gamble, if we went up again.
    For the first half of the season, we were just about as bad as the other half dozen worst teams. For the second half, we were clearly the worst team.

    Would be interested to see these xG stats and compare to the other crap clubs in the opening months.

  4. #4

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    For the first half of the season, we were just about as bad as the other half dozen worst teams. For the second half, we were clearly the worst team.

    Would be interested to see these xG stats and compare to the other crap clubs in the opening months.
    We were dropping down the table at an alarming rate with our most difficult month of fixtures to come. We barely mustered any goals, or points, in our away games against the struggling teams first half of the season, so just because we come out on top in 2 scrappy 50-50 low on quality home games that could have gone either way is no indication that we all these so called easier home fixtures 2nd half of the season were a gimme.

  5. #5

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    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    We were dropping down the table at an alarming rate with our most difficult month of fixtures to come. We barely mustered any goals, or points, in our away games against the struggling teams first half of the season, so just because we come out on top in 2 scrappy 50-50 low on quality home games that could have gone either way is no indication that we all these so called easier home fixtures 2nd half of the season were a gimme.
    Apart from the Derby team that amassed 11 points a few years previously, we were the worst equipped side to play in the Premiership. Arguably the Premiership squad was worse that the Championship squad. Soskjaer has admitted the players told him 'we just aren't good enough'. When the players admit that, your dammed...

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    Re: Steven Caulker

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    Apart from the Derby team that amassed 11 points a few years previously, we were the worst equipped side to play in the Premiership. Arguably the Premiership squad was worse that the Championship squad. Soskjaer has admitted the players told him 'we just aren't good enough'. When the players admit that, your dammed...
    Hull and Palace squads were no better equipped at the end of the Championshop season before but they used their (much lower) budgets far wiser than we did.

  7. #7

    Re: Steven Caulker

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    Apart from the Derby team that amassed 11 points a few years previously, we were the worst equipped side to play in the Premiership. Arguably the Premiership squad was worse that the Championship squad. Soskjaer has admitted the players told him 'we just aren't good enough'. When the players admit that, your dammed...
    Plenty worse teams on paper have stayed up. You need the manager to motivate you and turn it around. We spent extremely poorly though, little or no Premier League experience, expensive gambles and zero pace. Caulker had his demons and people in football knew about it, so we shouldn't have taken the risk.

  8. #8

    Re: Steven Caulker

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    Plenty worse teams on paper have stayed up. You need the manager to motivate you and turn it around. We spent extremely poorly though, little or no Premier League experience, expensive gambles and zero pace. Caulker had his demons and people in football knew about it, so we shouldn't have taken the risk.
    I don't buy in to this "we spent really poorly" thing. If it hadn't been for Cornelius, and all the hyperbole surrounding the amount we paid for him the spending poorly thing would be a non starter. I actually thought Medel in particular was a great signing.

  9. #9

    Re: Steven Caulker

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    We were dropping down the table at an alarming rate with our most difficult month of fixtures to come. We barely mustered any goals, or points, in our away games against the struggling teams first half of the season, so just because we come out on top in 2 scrappy 50-50 low on quality home games that could have gone either way is no indication that we all these so called easier home fixtures 2nd half of the season were a gimme.
    Thanks for repeating your point again but thats not what the post you quoted addressed.

  10. #10

    Re: Steven Caulker

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Thanks for repeating your point again but thats not what the post you quoted addressed.
    I dont think that point was repeated was it? Not on this thread anyway?

    Just offering a reason (besides the obvious - OGS) why we were worse in the 2nd half of the season, and agreeing with the post you replied to that we were poor throughout the season not just after January.

  11. #11

    Re: Steven Caulker

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    For the first half of the season, we were just about as bad as the other half dozen worst teams. For the second half, we were clearly the worst team.

    Would be interested to see these xG stats and compare to the other crap clubs in the opening months.
    For the 2nd half of the season we had to go away to most of the top half of the table. And our home games were mainly against teams also scrapping for their lives so theres an argument to make that 2nd half of the season was a more difficult set of fixtures.

    Either way the squad wasnt good enough, not considering what Malky had at his disposal in the summer, and what OGS added wasnt good enough either, albeit he didnt have a fraction of what Malky had to spend. Two very poor transfer windows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    For the first half of the season, we were just about as bad as the other half dozen worst teams. For the second half, we were clearly the worst team.

    Would be interested to see these xG stats and compare to the other crap clubs in the opening months.
    Ourselves and Fulham had the worst xG throughout the season , and unsurprisingly we ended up in the bottom 2 positions.
    Not sure if I still have the data but I'll look.

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