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  1. #26

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keyser Soze View Post
    Give it a few years and he'll be out of the way, and this experimental period of immaturity and silliness in British politics will be over. Given time, he will be reviled and laughed at even more than Michael Foot or the hapless Gordon Brown.

    It's just a phase that's all. Just a phase. Just a like a fancy new crepe shop that pops up. People think "Oooh that's new let's give it a try." Responses range from "ooh lovely" to "uuurgh that's odd". And eventually the fad or phase goes away. Years later people wonder what the fuss was all about. The only people that don't need to experiment are the ones who know it isn't new and was done all before, decades ago, and resulted in disaster. To them, it is money for old rope. To those who don't remember it they think it's new or novelty. But it's just a phase. Give it time and one way or another, most will come to their senses and he'll barely figure in the annals of history.
    Patronising or what?

  2. #27

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Unless Corbyn guts the plp then what you are saying is absolutely not true.
    And you dont think thats under way as we speak ?

  3. #28

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mambo View Post
    Those of us of a certain age have definitely seen it all before, tax and spend, boom and bust, inflation, recession. The problems are always there - they are the issues you have to face when trying to run a country and economy arent they ?.

    Anyone else remember the 70's, semi permanent strikes, 3 day weeks, massive wage increases for public sector workers, not being very productive "sick man of Europe" etc triggers inflation etc etc rinse and repeat. That situation had to be fixed, you cant fix that though without some tough choices.

    I remember the 80's,90's and then we reset when Blair came back in - spent too much again - same story.

    The miners strike was a mistake, but seeing as Scargill would never have a vote on it!! he was not without blame.

    Corbyn and Co - at that time - were very much in mould of Che Guevara uber protesting, secondary picketing on behalf of Polish apple pickers etc. So it's without much surprise to hear that a former Czech spy - paid them 10k to speak to them in the hope of gaining information or getting them to adopt a certain policy etc.

    Whether Corbyn knew he was a spy etc - will never be established, the problem was that he (Corbyn) was getting paid by them - so potentially he was theirs. The same problem applies somewhat to a lesser extent to Livingstone - who yesterday admitted meeting a KGB spy, who was an under cover reporter.

    Case to answer - yes, were they duped into it - probably, are they spies - no I dont think so, maybe a little susceptible to influence perhaps. The real issue being - were they really paid 10k ? - I would thought this was against Parliamentary rules - and what were they paid for ? - I dont think has been addressed.
    To answer you questions I clearly remeber the awful 3 day week and being held to ransom by very powerful unions backed by left wing money and politicians , long term it badly damaged the working man .

    I attending a number of high end union events around the UK in the day where the evening fringe events had the hot spot debates with young Corbyn , Liverpool based militant , socilalist worker, Derek Hatton all trying to start a reveloution , they even had another version of our unions and others , they used to call the them the "" real unite"" or"" real num"" , what I have noticed recently is a few of those old boy names resurfacing in the name of momentum.

    You only have to look at how badly this can go wrong by looking back at the Liverpool of the 80's which wanted to pull away from the UK some of that damage still exits in that city to this day .


    I once attended a meeting some years later in Liverpool and was advised to leave the lift I was in due to the fact it was full of highly motivated union members whose behaviours were somewhat threating.

    The results of that revolution are for all to see now masses of business relocated to greener fields away from the ideologies,taking the jobs with them .


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32913465

  4. #29

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mambo View Post
    Those of us of a certain age have definitely seen it all before, tax and spend, boom and bust, inflation, recession. The problems are always there - they are the issues you have to face when trying to run a country and economy arent they ?.

    Anyone else remember the 70's, semi permanent strikes, 3 day weeks, massive wage increases for public sector workers, not being very productive "sick man of Europe" etc triggers inflation etc etc rinse and repeat. That situation had to be fixed, you cant fix that though without some tough choices.

    I remember the 80's,90's and then we reset when Blair came back in - spent too much again - same story.

    The miners strike was a mistake, but seeing as Scargill would never have a vote on it!! he was not without blame.

    Corbyn and Co - at that time - were very much in mould of Che Guevara uber protesting, secondary picketing on behalf of Polish apple pickers etc. So it's without much surprise to hear that a former Czech spy - paid them 10k to speak to them in the hope of gaining information or getting them to adopt a certain policy etc.

    Whether Corbyn knew he was a spy etc - will never be established, the problem was that he (Corbyn) was getting paid by them - so potentially he was theirs. The same problem applies somewhat to a lesser extent to Livingstone - who yesterday admitted meeting a KGB spy, who was an under cover reporter.

    Case to answer - yes, were they duped into it - probably, are they spies - no I dont think so, maybe a little susceptible to influence perhaps. The real issue being - were they really paid 10k ? - I would thought this was against Parliamentary rules - and what were they paid for ? - I dont think has been addressed.
    I think that's a particularly one eyed interpretation of British politics over the past forty years, but you're entitled to your opinion and that's fine - you said what you did in a way that didn't come across like a world weary teacher talking down to their pupils.

  5. #30

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    Must admit, I'm a little bit like Gluey when it comes to an anti Trump story here - I honestly don't know a great deal about it. I've just Googled "Corbyn and the spy" and what I got was a load of stuff which divided along predictable lines with the right wing media pushing the story for all it's worth and it being denied by the sort of people and publications you'd expect to be denying it.

    https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...wing-communist

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/561484...y-allegations/

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a8218451.html

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...-know-12052581

  6. #31

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    And you dont think thats under way as we speak ?
    I don't see any evidence of it.

  7. #32

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    I don't see any evidence of it.
    oh dear

  8. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    oh dear
    Have Labour MPs be deselected by hq? I honestly thought this hadn't happened. Which ones have gone for not agreeing with Corbyn/Momentum?

  9. #34

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    This anti-Corbyn news all about a certain foreign country losing control of the Labour Party. This foreign country also controls our media. You are being told there is a left wing – right wing schism in the Labour Party, but if you read the Labour Party messageboards you will see that they are not arguing about things like nationalisation or immigration. You will find they are mainly arguing about a certain country's "right to exist" and the Balfour Declaration.

    This foreign country will not rest until they regain control of the Labour Party. By hook or by crook Corbyn will be removed.

  10. #35

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mambo View Post
    Those of us of a certain age have definitely seen it all before, tax and spend, boom and bust, inflation, recession. The problems are always there - they are the issues you have to face when trying to run a country and economy arent they ?.

    Anyone else remember the 70's, semi permanent strikes, 3 day weeks, massive wage increases for public sector workers, not being very productive "sick man of Europe" etc triggers inflation etc etc rinse and repeat. That situation had to be fixed, you cant fix that though without some tough choices.

    I remember the 80's,90's and then we reset when Blair came back in - spent too much again - same story.

    The miners strike was a mistake, but seeing as Scargill would never have a vote on it!! he was not without blame.

    Corbyn and Co - at that time - were very much in mould of Che Guevara uber protesting, secondary picketing on behalf of Polish apple pickers etc. So it's without much surprise to hear that a former Czech spy - paid them 10k to speak to them in the hope of gaining information or getting them to adopt a certain policy etc.

    Whether Corbyn knew he was a spy etc - will never be established, the problem was that he (Corbyn) was getting paid by them - so potentially he was theirs. The same problem applies somewhat to a lesser extent to Livingstone - who yesterday admitted meeting a KGB spy, who was an under cover reporter.

    Case to answer - yes, were they duped into it - probably, are they spies - no I dont think so, maybe a little susceptible to influence perhaps. The real issue being - were they really paid 10k ? - I would thought this was against Parliamentary rules - and what were they paid for ? - I dont think has been addressed.
    The sick man of Europe .....spoken like one of Maggie's arse lickers

    Thatcher was a disaster for this country , she ruined what was left of post war society and created a me me me culture which pervades to this day

    I wish corbyn the very best in taking on may , this current lot are worse , if that's possible , than Thatcher

  11. #36

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    Why on earth would anyone vote for this idiot who clearly hates this country.
    The funny thing is, the Tories are on another smear campaign just after the last one failed dismally. It's also fecking hilarious that Theresa May, in a bid to win the young vote, set up a commission on Student Fees that will, basically, do sod all and drive even more students to the ballot boxes next time around.

  12. #37

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Vincent View Post
    This story is all about Corbyn refusing to do as he is told by the Israel lobby. Anyone who opposes them will be destroyed.
    Splott Dai amazingly links this to Israel. What a shocker.

  13. #38

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    Corbyn is an ideological idiot - and there are plenty of other ideological idiots out there who will vote for him - who believe the dream / bollox he is promising. So if an idiot votes for an idiot - that doesnt actually make him a genius.

    It seems in this case https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-co...d-war-11253891 Corbyn was done up like a kipper - a willing kipper from someone who doesnt necessary hate this country - but someone who despises any politics other than his own - is prepared to jeopardise the security of it.

    It is akin to letting an ex bank robber who has now been 'reformed' and wants to be in charge of the bank...... - there are better left wing candidates out there
    OK Feedy, are you really saying that I am an idiot for not voting Tory at the last, and indeed, at the next election?

  14. #39

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt View Post
    The funny thing is, the Tories are on another smear campaign just after the last one failed dismally. It's also fecking hilarious that Theresa May, in a bid to win the young vote, set up a commission on Student Fees that will, basically, do sod all and drive even more students to the ballot boxes next time around.
    The sun and the mail on a smear campaign against labour ?

    Don't be daft !

    Anyone would think they are crapping themselves over the popularity of corbyn

  15. #40

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Patronising or what?
    I thought he was being hopeful. Corbyn is the next PM, not even Murdoch can save May now. Before the last election, the thought of Corbyn being PM didn't fill me with much hope. Now, I am as desperate to see him as PM as I have been for anyone in my lifetime.

  16. #41

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    The sun and the mail on a smear campaign against labour ?

    Don't be daft !

    Anyone would think they are crapping themselves over the popularity of corbyn
    Lunacy is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. I can't wait for the next election - just need a few by elections to make the Tories even more of a lame duck and we can then sit back and watch the Rees-Mogg/BJ/Gove dream ticket get annihilated by Jezza. It will be lovely, and a true Socialist Government will be just what this country needs.

  17. #42

  18. #43

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    I have sympathy with some of his ideas, but the man is never a leader in a million years. He is a puppet of the unions who select him, perhaps in the same vein as Cameron was a puppet of his funders. Neither are genuine leaders who will take on vested interests.

    There will be confirmation bias from both the Left and Right on this narrative. White van man will down his Fosters at 4pm with a copy of The Sun in his hand, lapping up the story word by word, because he wants to believe it. The bearded teachers and pen-pushers in Localville Council Offices in Ruralshire will be believing today's copy of The Guardian's denials that he has any links with foreign Left wing governments at all. Why? Because they want to believe it. Confirmation Bias party all round.

    That said, my view of this spy story is laughable. The Capitalists are seriously concerned with the possibility of Corbyn and Mc Donnell and rightly so. So they dial L for Love and call up Tarquin Fotherington-Smythe and his chums run various copies of Right Wing News and they do a hatchet job on Corbyn. Providing they can have plausible deniability if someone accused them of lies they can hold their nose at the stink they created and point their fingers at this ex-intelligence fall guy. My suspicion is that they probably paid him a couple of Slovakian Kronas and the boy sends them a story that stinks. Happy days for Tarquin Fotherington-Smythe and his ilk. Happy days for Boris Bullshitov or whatever his name is. Both pockets filled. A win-win.

    In a few weeks time we will have the same from the Left. Some fruity fella from within Momentum will finally cotton on that Theresa May's husband, who runs a hedge fund which speculates against the British economy, will make a mint from Brexit. Likewise William Rees-Mogg who has serious investments in emerging markets, can make a King's fortune should the UK sign open deals with emerging markets, free from tariffs and European trade barriers. Bearded Fruity Frank in his Momentum office no doubt will down his latest Fair Trade coffee, and make a call to some editor of The Guardian to kick up the stink. That will be all over the press, followed a week later by those irrational and emotive buffoons who are forever crying and shouting while they hammer away on their keyboards at that odious website, The Canary.

    It's all a circus. Don't get sucked in, from whichever wing you are. Stay above the smog. Retain your dignity.

  19. #44

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    Bob I dont think anyone has said Corbyn was a "secret agent" that is the Guardian semantics. What is said was that Corbyn, McDonell and Livingston - were all paid fairly large sums of money to help these 'journalists'. Fair enough - but why did they need to to take money from a journalist - was that normal procedure of the day ? - I dont think it was. Especially from "eastern / russian european journalists".

    Livingston is just a bumbling alcoholic these days it seems (and still suspended from the labour for his Anti Semitic comments) - lovely chap that he is.
    Hey buddy

    To say they are way too far to the left is an understatement ... so not my bag
    Which bits of the manifesto were far-left in your opinion? Labour are beyond far left at the minute so it isn't a difficult question for you to answer.

    It is starting to feel like you don't think before you come up with your opinion, maybe you just get it from somewhere else

    In between thrusts can you answer the question?

  20. #45

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    Bob I dont think anyone has said Corbyn was a "secret agent" that is the Guardian semantics. What is said was that Corbyn, McDonell and Livingston - were all paid fairly large sums of money to help these 'journalists'. Fair enough - but why did they need to to take money from a journalist - was that normal procedure of the day ? - I dont think it was. Especially from "eastern / russian european journalists".

    Livingston is just a bumbling alcoholic these days it seems (and still suspended from the labour for his Anti Semitic comments) - lovely chap that he is.
    Is there any proof that Corbyn accepted money?

  21. #46

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veg1960 View Post
    Is there any proof that Corbyn accepted money?
    I am pretty sure there is proof he was somewhere completely different the day of the 'meeting'.

  22. #47

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    Eric - it may come as a surprise to you - but you dont tell me what to do - #gestapo

    I mentioned Lansman - as you seemed to think that because Lansman is Jewish and started "momentum" that ergo Labour doesnt have a problem with anti semitism - I think you will find that Lansman does in fact think Labour has a problem with anti-semites in its party - as he himself has said

    Re Policy / Manifesto - I couldnt give a f uck mate and I wont be going to do your research for you either. You should be able to wipe your own bottom by now - do it yourself.

    Is this the bit now where you start to mention Grindr and peoples cock size (like you did previously)

    You are the one coming out with crap that Labour are far left not Eric so why not attempt to back up what you say with specific policies that suggest Labour are extremists. You can’t because what you said is nonsense.
    The ideological idiots are the likes of you fools who blindly adhere to ‘the market’and swear they are always right.

  23. #48

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    I am pretty sure there is proof he was somewhere completely different the day of the 'meeting'.
    It’s a desperate attempt to smear Corbyn again by the gutter right wing press. It will be consumed by their elderly readership who won’t be voting Labour anyway. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence will see this for what it is. Little wonder the printed media is dying on its arse.

  24. #49

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearcey3 View Post
    It’s a desperate attempt to smear Corbyn again by the gutter right wing press. It will be consumed by their elderly readership who won’t be voting Labour anyway. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence will see this for what it is. Little wonder the printed media is dying on its arse.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...byn-spy-claims

    Don't know what this does for the forceable assertions made earlier in this thread but it has definitely made a dent in Bradley's bank balance when he repeated some of them on Twitter.

    Worth just watching the Andrew Neil filleting of Steven Baker in the embedded video. I am sure he will thank Gavin Williamson for turning him into Neil's punchbag.

  25. #50

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    In faintness to Andrew Neil he’s given it to him both barrels there.
    As for that stephen Baker, dear lord what a smarmy twat.

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