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Thread: The answer to gun crime in America?

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    The answer to gun crime in America?

    Trump thinks more guns are needed. Let's arm teachers. That country is seriously fecked.

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    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    I can forgive people for being bonkers but there have been some pretty disgusting reactions from gun 'enthusiasts' towards the victims of the Florida school shooting this week. America is quickly becoming a place I will likely do my utmost to avoid going to.

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    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    It's never been any different , it would be impossible to ban guns as so many already exist, parts of the country are so vast you can,t police it , so a gun is a safe haven for your family .

    I dont agree with it, but perhaps having gun defences at schools is not that daft, as this is not going away is it, perhaps a huge tax levy on guns to pay for extra security at schools is an answer ?

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    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    It's all too late

    Trump is as mad as a lorry , as if a teacher with a pistol is going to stop a headcase packing a machine gun

    The country has had it

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    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    It's never been any different , it would be impossible to ban guns as so many already exist, parts of the country are so vast you can,t police it , so a gun is a safe haven for your family .

    I dont agree with it, but perhaps having gun defences at schools is not that daft, as this is not going away is it, perhaps a huge tax levy on guns to pay for extra security at schools is an answer ?
    So the shooter will just go for the teacher first. Yes, it is daft.

    No one's saying gun control laws would sort America out overnight. If you make it much more difficult to get hold of semi automatics then it is at least going to reduce the chances of a nutter getting hold of one.

    No law is obeyed by everyone and you don't expect new laws to have an instant 100% impact. But if you want to make a massive change then you have to start gradually.

    I wonder what we'd say if it was a) a country like Saudi Arabia talking about arming teachers or b) the UK saying our teachers should carry knives as a deterrent.

    In a) we'd probably say they were barbarians and uncivilised, and in b) we'd be completely appalled.

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    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    I’m already seeing things like ‘false flag’ and ‘crisis actors ‘ on things like Twitter in describing this massacre.

    Plus links about how gun control is akin to Nazism.

    There are some people in the USA very deluded.

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    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    Apparently the armed " school policeman " at the Florida shootings didn't intervene.

    If a trained chap won't risk his life why expect teachers to ?

    That NRA bloke going on about socialists was plain scary.

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    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    So now the Bully Donald Trump blames one poor cop for
    what happened whilst saying he will never repeal the
    second amendment ( the right to bear arms ).

    He is in the NRA's pocket for sure.

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    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    Gun control will never happen , you cant control or change peoples culture its like trying to stop beheadings/stonings in the middle East .

    They could though change thier approach by heavier taxation on buying them , and fund better security entry systems and people , as in airports, drastic yes ,doable probaly.

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    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Gun control will never happen , you cant control or change peoples culture its like trying to stop beheadings/stonings in the middle East .

    They could though change thier approach by heavier taxation on buying them , and fund better security entry systems and people , as in airports, drastic yes ,doable probaly.
    Their culture isn't gun ownership.

    2/3rds of people in USA support a ban on assault weapons. Backing for universal background checks way way way higher, 50% of gun owners support the somewhat ambiguous notion of 'tougher legislation'.

    I don't think you would find close a majority for confining the defunct 2nd amendment to the annals history but there is appetite for some level of control. The number of guns in America has doubled in 20 years but the average gun owner has 8 guns, only 32% of households have a gun. What we are seeing here is a very vocal and well organised minority ruling the roost, they will need to be flexible.

    The 'teachers have guns' thing is such a load of rubbish. So they just have to accept that people will run into schools with guns and their only hope is to neutralise the threat early on? American parents must look around the western world and think 'why does this happen nowhere else?'.

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    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Gun control will never happen , you cant control or change peoples culture its like trying to stop beheadings/stonings in the middle East .

    They could though change thier approach by heavier taxation on buying them , and fund better security entry systems and people , as in airports, drastic yes ,doable probaly.
    Gun control doesn't mean ban all guns.

    And people don't tend to like heavier taxes. How much tax would you need to put on guns to fund security at all schools? 500%?

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    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWales View Post
    So now the Bully Donald Trump blames one poor cop for
    what happened whilst saying he will never repeal the
    second amendment ( the right to bear arms ).

    He is in the NRA's pocket for sure.
    I heard it was 4 armed cops who stood outside and let him get on with it. Also the FBI were tipped off about the shooter and they ignored it. There was also a local policy in place not to prosecute kids for any offences.

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    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I heard it was 4 armed cops who stood outside and let him get on with it. Also the FBI were tipped off about the shooter and they ignored it. There was also a local policy in place not to prosecute kids for any offences.
    It was one armed cop. Funny how a draft dodging coward has the balls to criticise others for their perceived lack of bottle.

  14. #14

    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    Is this just Trump's way of making sure he doesn't have to do another 4 years?

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    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2 View Post
    It was one armed cop. Funny how a draft dodging coward has the balls to criticise others for their perceived lack of bottle.
    Unusual of CNN to report fake news!

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/23/p...ies/index.html

    http://deadline.com/2018/02/four-bro...17-1202301523/

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    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    In standby corrected then as I read it as one initially.

    So CMN is ok today then?

    And DT is still a draft dodging coward sonhim commenting on bravery is ironic as always.

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    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2 View Post
    In standby corrected then as I read it as one initially.

    So CMN is ok today then?

    And DT is still a draft dodging coward sonhim commenting on bravery is ironic as always.
    My default position regarding all news is to presume it's fake, and then attempt to prove it correct.

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    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    My default position regarding all news is to presume it's fake, and then attempt to prove it correct.
    Have a go weaving your magic on this one!

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/37...abuse-occurred

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    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    My default position regarding all news is to presume it's fake, and then attempt to prove it correct.
    Yeah ok, I believe you 1000’s wouldn’t 😂😂😂

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    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2 View Post
    Yeah ok, I believe you 1000’s wouldn’t ������
    There is a good reason why my analysis and predictions are 99% more accurate than lardy's

  21. #21

    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Have a go weaving your magic on this one!

    http://thehill.com/homenews/house/37...abuse-occurred
    I'm waiting for the OIG report, but I do think Nunes is going to win this particular battle with Schiff, which incidentally has been reduced to the level of political game playing. The CTH website also have an uncanny knack of predicting the future, so it's still all to play for.

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    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I'm waiting for the OIG report, but I do think Nunes is going to win this particular battle with Schiff, which incidentally has been reduced to the level of political game playing. The CTH website also have an uncanny knack of predicting the future, so it's still all to play for.
    Does CTH identify who the x number of people linked to the Trump campaign who were under investigation two months before it became aware of the Steele dossier are or are they happy to leave that to Mueller to sort?

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    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Does CTH identify who the x number of people linked to the Trump campaign who were under investigation two months before it became aware of the Steele dossier are or are they happy to leave that to Mueller to sort?
    Page? Papadopoulos? Manafort? Gates?

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    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Page? Papadopoulos? Manafort? Gates?
    Page is separately mentioned in the unredacted bit. No need to redact the others I would have thought given that they have subsequently been charged but it is possible I suppose.

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    Re: The answer to gun crime in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Page is separately mentioned in the unredacted bit. No need to redact the others I would have thought given that they have subsequently been charged but it is possible I suppose.
    Well, for a conspiracy you need conspiracists, and all of those mentioned above have some interesting aspects about them. If I was playing Cluedo and they were the suspects, I wouldn't know who to pick

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