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Thread: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

  1. #76

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mambo View Post
    So any Russian that has money and wants to live here automatically works for the KGB ?
    Is like any American who comes to the UK with money works for the CIA ?

    I thought it was only UK nationals that can donate to political parties?

    There are lots of Labour MPs blaming Corbyn for not following parliamentary protocol on this , some of them have even tabled a motion in commons supporting the Govt position. If you read the Guardian then see what Anna Turley and Nia Griffith (shadow defence secretary) has to say about JC.


    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...sergei-skripal
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...over-salisbury


    And how is it that whenever there is a vote on Nato - JC votes against it, anything on America - he votes against it.
    If anything with this - you now fully get the character of Corbyn. Perpetual demonstrator (he's had plenty of practice) , but as leader of a country, with a marxist as a chancellor..... oh deary me.
    JC he is a man of principal ,however and dislikes the western capitalist systems , the bigger and broader question , is he right for PM lead the country , could he carry that through , would he be at odd with western military strategy ; foreign policy , and agree with his front bench who be needed to drive a collective ploicy ( its not a dig at JC its a real question )

  2. #77

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    JC he is a man of principal ,however and dislikes the western capitalist systems , the bigger and broader question , is he right for PM lead the country , could he carry that through , would he be at odd with western military strategy ; foreign policy , and agree with his front bench who be needed to drive a collective ploicy ( its not a dig at JC its a real question )
    No I’d rather have people like this running the country, every day of the week

    https://twitter.com/russianembassy/s...595555840?s=21

  3. #78

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysAway2 View Post
    Superb post. Reading it again.
    Have to agree. No way would Russia have used nerve agent.
    It’s been made to look like a Russian act.
    No evidence here like there was in the Litvinyenko murder. Just suspicion.

    Show me the evidence.
    I heard an interview on SKY TV with the former President of Georgia, Mikheil Saakashvili, victim of an assasination attempt a few years ago.
    He said that it was certain that Putin personally signed off the attack in Salisbury, encouraged by the weak U.K. response to the Litvinenko murder
    Furthermore, the agent used was deliberately high-profile as a warning to other double agents, and to the West, of Russia's intent and lead in such weaponry.
    The last time Saakashvili met Putin in the Kremlin, the Russian leader's parting remark was: " The West promises many good things but doesn't deliver, we don't promise good things but we deliver"!
    We have been warned.

    Oh, and we should have expelled 24 not 23 - to include Corbyn, it's where his true loyalties lie - always against the West.

  4. #79

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Is there any reason why the firefighters didn't require protective clothing and respirators to guard against exposure to the nerve agent?

    Why would the people inside the safety cordon wear safety clothes while those outside the safety cordon don't?

    It's a mystery, alright.

  5. #80

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Why would the people inside the safety cordon wear safety clothes while those outside the safety cordon don't?

    It's a mystery, alright.
    Rather you than me mate, I'd be standing well away without my snorkel & goggles.

  6. #81

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Who said this?

    “Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country”.

  7. #82

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Rather you than me mate, I'd be standing well away without my snorkel & goggles.
    Lucky that's not your job then

    I'm not sure what point you were making. Do you think the safety cordon should never end?

  8. #83

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Lucky that's not your job then

    I'm not sure what point you were making. Do you think the safety cordon should never end?
    This is a good read if you are interested in shadowy Russian characters, the people involved certainly pushed all of your buttons during every twist and turn!

    The Real Collusion Story.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...dnc-fbi-media/

  9. #84

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackrabbit View Post
    I heard an interview on SKY TV with the former President of Georgia, Mikheil Saakashvili, victim of an assasination attempt a few years ago.
    He said that it was certain that Putin personally signed off the attack in Salisbury, encouraged by the weak U.K. response to the Litvinenko murder
    Furthermore, the agent used was deliberately high-profile as a warning to other double agents, and to the West, of Russia's intent and lead in such weaponry.
    The last time Saakashvili met Putin in the Kremlin, the Russian leader's parting remark was: " The West promises many good things but doesn't deliver, we don't promise good things but we deliver"!
    We have been warned.

    Oh, and we should have expelled 24 not 23 - to include Corbyn, it's where his true loyalties lie - always against the West.
    Yes it’s all Jeremy Corbyn fault. Pathetic!

  10. #85

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackrabbit View Post
    I heard an interview on SKY TV with the former President of Georgia, Mikheil Saakashvili, victim of an assasination attempt a few years ago.
    He said that it was certain that Putin personally signed off the attack in Salisbury, encouraged by the weak U.K. response to the Litvinenko murder
    Furthermore, the agent used was deliberately high-profile as a warning to other double agents, and to the West, of Russia's intent and lead in such weaponry.
    The last time Saakashvili met Putin in the Kremlin, the Russian leader's parting remark was: " The West promises many good things but doesn't deliver, we don't promise good things but we deliver"!
    We have been warned.

    Oh, and we should have expelled 24 not 23 - to include Corbyn, it's where his true loyalties lie - always against the West.
    This is like a Cardiff city transfer story. Everybody is suddenly ITK. Most of the people saying 'it was definitely Russia' have completely contradicted each other when trying to explain why they think that.

  11. #86

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    This is a good read if you are interested in shadowy Russian characters, the people involved certainly pushed all of your buttons during every twist and turn!

    The Real Collusion Story.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...dnc-fbi-media/
    The classic WB diversion. What point were you making about the safety cordon?

  12. #87

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    This is like a Cardiff city transfer story. Everybody is suddenly ITK. Most of the people saying 'it was definitely Russia' have completely contradicted each other when trying to explain why they think that.
    Has anybody asked Christopher Steele if he is acquainted with any of these Russians who are coming under attack?

  13. #88

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    What point were you making about the safety cordon?
    I was concerned about their safety when I saw them standing so close to that large yellow container.

  14. #89

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I was concerned about their safety when I saw them standing so close to that large yellow container.
    The dangerous stuff is contained, that's why they call it a, umm, oh I forget, that's right, a container.

  15. #90

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    The dangerous stuff is contained, that's why they call it a, umm, oh I forget, that's right, a container.
    Could you point me in the direction of any relevant procedure manuals or are you just making this up?

  16. #91

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Could you point me in the direction of any relevant procedure manuals or are you just making this up?
    No I can't I'm afraid.

    It could also be empty. I hope this has all been helpful for you.

  17. #92

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Russia expels 23 British diplomats. At least they know how bloody angry we are though.

  18. #93

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    No I can't I'm afraid.

    It could also be empty. I hope this has all been helpful for you.
    Could or is?

  19. #94

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    This is a good read if you are interested in shadowy Russian characters, the people involved certainly pushed all of your buttons during every twist and turn!

    The Real Collusion Story.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...dnc-fbi-media/
    "Mike Morell, the former deputy director of the CIA, helps explain the delay. Morell did some digging into Christopher Steele’s dossier and shared the results of his research at a public forum in Washington, D.C., in March 2017. Steele, according to Morell, did not have direct access to the Russians whom he labeled as his “sources” — people who included former officers in the FSB. He “communicated” with them, if that is the right word, through paid intermediaries, who paid the so-called sources."

    Steele did not have direct to his Russian sources and he never went to Russia, so who were these intermediaries? Are they Russian? Did they live in Britain? Are they also spies/ex-spies?

  20. #95

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mambo View Post
    All these bloody ITK people eh Eric, why not put us all right and tell us what really happened.

    A good listen here from Radio 4, they do cover Salisbury and some very interesting political responses etc https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09v8xwg
    You are obsessed with me Mambo, it's embarrassing.

    It's just an observation that everyone agreeing on something for completely opposing reasons doesn't inspire me with a great deal of confidence. In the last two days I have read 'Russia used nerve agent because they thought we wouldn't be able to detect it' and 'Russia used nerve agent because they knew we would be able to detect it'.

    I don't know either way but everybody seems to want to pretend that they do.

  21. #96

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    "Mike Morell, the former deputy director of the CIA, helps explain the delay. Morell did some digging into Christopher Steele’s dossier and shared the results of his research at a public forum in Washington, D.C., in March 2017. Steele, according to Morell, did not have direct access to the Russians whom he labeled as his “sources” — people who included former officers in the FSB. He “communicated” with them, if that is the right word, through paid intermediaries, who paid the so-called sources."

    Steele did not have direct to his Russian sources and he never went to Russia, so who were these intermediaries? Are they Russian? Did they live in Britain? Are they also spies/ex-spies?
    Many people associated with the Steele dossier have been killed. Ive thought for a while that it was a deliberate mis-information to expose leaks.
    Make up a story so scandalous that it simply has to become exposed, sit back and wait for it to come out, then follow the story back to where it was leaked and viciously murder a few people.

  22. #97

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mambo View Post
    Including you Eric.

    If you listen to that link I posted - around the 12minute mark Ken Clarke sums it up perfectly , exactly why someone would use nerve gas to kill someone rather than a bullet. And exposes in a parody the naivety of Corbyn and the other 1960's lefties of their love for the socialist utopia - that never materialised.
    Where have I tried to offer any kind of explanation for what happened?

    The truth here is Mrs May speaks and your tail wags.

  23. #98

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Could or is?
    Read my post again, very carefully this time, and your question is answered.

    Try testing those critical analysis skills you like to boast about

  24. #99

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Auntie Andy View Post
    Yes it’s all Jeremy Corbyn fault. Pathetic!
    Don't think anyone has said that ,what is clear, he is at odds with a lot of folk including his own party in terms of out right condemnation , and that has a similar theme with the annexing of Crimea and the atrocities in Syria , however very vocal anything USA / Israel ,its an observation not a criticism .

    Strangely Russia is slightly right wing , Putin supporters in Europe are right-wing , however Putin himself is not fully right-wing.

  25. #100

    Re: Bloody fuss about this Russian poisoning.

    There was an interview this morning on Radio 4 with Tom Tugendhat MP where he was allowed to make ridiculous claims about Putin without being challenged. He said Putin had hundreds of billions of dollars invested abroad – i.e. he is several times richer than Bezos, Gates,etc. He has used nerve agents in the Russian Federation. He has been murdering "activists and journalists" for 20 years. The interviewer after listening to these absurd claims then said shouldn't we be doing more to get this information to the Russian people. There is no objective journalism at the BBC. It is non-stop propaganda.

    Tom Tugendhat was only elected in 2015 and now he is already the Chair of the Foreign Affairs Committee. It is frightening that someone who can make irrational comments like the above is now being seen as a future Conservative leader.

    The "Putin is the richest man in the world" story was put about by Bill Browder. The book about him in the following link will tell you all you need to know about the Browder. It also gives a great insight into how so much money was stolen from Russia under Yeltsin.

    https://dxczjjuegupb.cloudfront.net/...yout_6x9-1.pdf

    This is a bit about Alex Krainer, the author of the above book, who is a hedge fund manager. Browder is so powerful that he blocks any article that shows his true colours – he is very dangerous – so these links might disappear soon.

    https://thesaker.is/cooperative-auth...-by-the-saker/

    This is a very good article by a barrister about Litvinenko.

    https://off-guardian.org/2018/03/17/...itish-justice/

    Those of us on here who are still have working brains know that the chemical attacks in Syria were false flag operations. I think the people behind the Salisbury incident have screwed up and we will get to the truth. There were no unbiased observers in Syria to check the facts but there are now too many people asking questions about Salisbury for the truth to remain hidden. I think when the truth comes out it will bring down this government.

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