Reply With QuoteInteresting that Fourfourtwo had Maradona as the greatest player with Messi second and Pelé third.
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And England has 20 times the population of Wales but we still got to the semi final of the Euros when they didn’t.Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Interesting that Fourfourtwo had Maradona as the greatest player with Messi second and Pelé third.
His team mates didn’t regard him as the King. Their opinion is more telling than a bunch of suits who want to kiss Peles arse.
So.......?
Someone sent me this gay transcript. Interesting though, although I think Messi is the best of all time.
Cristiano Ronaldo vs Lionel Messi in court:
Judge: Have any of you won the
Golden ball?
Ronaldo: Yes, 5 times.
Messi: Yes, 5 times as well.
Judge: Have any of you won the
Golden Boot?
Ronaldo: Yes, 4 times.
Messi: Same here.
Judge: How many individual trophies have you each won?
Ronaldo: 16.
Messi: 13.
Judge: Have any of you played for
another club’s first team besides your current one?
Ronaldo: Yes! Sporting CP in Portugal first division and Manchester United in BPL.
Messi: No. Only Barcelona.
Judge: Have any of you won a title with your national team?
Ronaldo: Yes! We won Portugal’s first ever European Championship.
Messi: No.
Judge: How many goals have each of you scored for your respective teams?
Ronaldo: Should I count the goals
I’ve scored for Man United and
Sporting?
Judge: No. Only for Real Madrid.
Ronaldo: 436 goals in 426
appearances or 9 seasons.
Messi: 539 goals in 625 appearances
or 14 seasons.
Judge: Who has scored more hat-
tricks in La Liga?
Ronaldo: Me. 35 in La Liga.
Messi: Ronaldo has. I’ve scored 28.
Judge: Which is the most prestigious competition in club football?
Ronaldo: Champions League.
Messi: Champions League.
Judge: Have any of you won
Champions League?
Ronaldo: Yes, 4 times in total with 2 different teams. Once with Man United and 3 times with Madrid.
Messi: Yes, 4 times as well with
Barcelona only.
Judge: Who has scored more goals in the CL between the two of you?
Ronaldo: I’ve scored 118 goals in the CL.
Messi: I’ve scored 100.
Judge: Who has more assists
between the two of you in the CL?
Ronaldo: I have 39.
Messi: Ronaldo has. I have 26.
Judge: Who has scored more goals in total in the CL finals?
Ronaldo: Me.
Messi: Ronaldo.
Judge: Which one of you have scored more free kicks?
Ronaldo: I have.
Messi: Ronaldo has.
Judge: Most goals with weak foot?
Ronaldo: Me, I think.
Messi: (Nods in agreement).
Judge: Most goals from outside of the box?
Ronaldo: Me.. again.
Messi: Ronaldo.
Judge: Who has scored more
headers?
Ronaldo: Is that a serious question?
Messi: ...
Judge: Who has a better penalty
conversion rate?
Ronaldo: I think I do. I’ve scored 82% of the penalties I’ve taken.
Messi: I’ve scored 77% of the
penalties I’ve taken.
Judge: Which one of you have scored the most goals in total during your career?
Ronaldo: I think I have. 647 goals.
Messi: I’ve scored 603
Judge: How many football records do each of you hold in total for both club and country?
Ronaldo: 146
Messi: 110
Judge: Well, after analyzing all of the facts that have been presented to me. I can only draw one conclusion when it comes to comparing you both as football players. That conclusion is that Ronaldo is the better player in almost every category. When it comes to goal scoring and accolades for both club and country, Ronaldo comes out on top. Messi, you are
without a doubt Barcelona’s best
player of all time. But certainly not
the world’s best ever. That is clearly Ronaldo at the moment.
Messi: But I am younger than Ronaldoand haven’t played as many matches as him.
Judge: I understand that, but until
you surpass his goal scoring records and win as many trophies both individually and collectively as he has, then Ronaldo will, according to the statistics, be considered as the best football player of all time. Until then, keep pushing on and you just might be able to achieve just as
much as Ronaldo.
So?
Mário Zagallo on Pelé in 1970. He would sleep in the dressing room prior to matches and the players would say “let him rest he’s our pride and joy”. I dunno where you get your info from JRH. Perhaps some of his team mates were a bit annoyed that Pelé left them out of his top 100 players but Mexico 70 was Pele’s tournament. He was the conductor with loads of assists. He was the King and indeed player of the tournament. It was the tournament that confirmed his brilliance.
You're missing the point and you're ****ing up your own argument.
You see, I countered your nonsense about Portugal v Brazil (this thread is about individual players) by pointing pout that it's not pertinent to this discussion to compare individual players using the achievements of their respective national teams. I illustrated this by applying your logic to two different players: Nobby Styles and Gareth Bale, are you with me?
You then made the statement that Portugal never have and never will win the World Cup. Which is probably true. But irrelevant. Wales never have won anything, but it doesn't mean that an individual Welsh international cannot be better than World Cup winner from another country.
To point out that Wales advanced further than England one time in a tournament doesn't really help or extend your argument. I could counter with the fact that Portugal went further than Brazil in WC2006, but what's the point?
Anyway, George Best.
Who ever is better Messi or Ronaldo we should just enjoy witnessing arguably 2 of the most best players of all time they are both the best in their own ways and should just be enjoyed coz we don't know if we'll witness players of their talents again and especially at the same time.
Says who? Can’t find anything to confirm who was the official player of the tournament.
Arguably one of the greatest goal scorers, one of the greatest players? I don't think so.
How pissed are you when you can’t even agree with yourself?
And Best didn't even have to train or try , he was simply a natural genius ,incredible balance , flair beyond the trainng manual , he'd play as well on a perfect pitch or a muddy one ,freak of nature .I'm not arguing i personally think Messi is the greatest footballer ever bornit's difficult to compare players everyone has their favourite you could never really say who the greatest ever was, I've watched loads of clips of George best and he looked incredible
why is this homosexual
imo ronaldo is the best player in the world so aside that why is the above gay
I used to respect Polo's football opinion.
Was this written by a 12 year old?
Imo, Maradona is the greatest of all time, but as someone above has mentioned, it’s only opinions, and can never be conclusive.
One big difference though. When Pele played, some of the tackles and attempted tackles on him were horrendous. Nowadays if an opposing players even farts near Messi or Ronaldo, they get a free kick.
I was thinking the same. Strange thing to put at the beginning of a post.
Why do you say that? It just seems an amusing way to deal with facts.
It's not facts, it's a selected bunch of stats (Some of which are wrong) written by a child.
This football generation cares about one thing and one thing only - stats.
Nobody can be arsed to watch the game for themself anymore.
One of my favourite English footballers was Glenn Hoddle but the stats would tell you that Peter Crouch is better!
Andres Iniesta controls almost every game he plays in but the "stats" would tell you that Miroslav Klose was a better footballer than him.
I heard a brilliant description the other day of this never ending and often tedious debate.
An amazing artist createded Messi
An amazing engineer created Ronaldo
Perfectly encapsulates I thought.
Stats are only part of the game. I don’t think any football fan including myself, old enough to remember watching Hoddle play would say Crouch was better. Don’t know why you used that comparison anyway. Different positions.
You do seem fixated on Messi.
I am
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