Labour and anti semitism

[Nick]

YouGov polls done in 2015 and again in 2017 found that Tory voters are more likely to hold negative views about Jews than Labour voters. For example, in 2015, 31% Conservatives thought Jews chase money more than other Britons. In 2017, the figure went down to 22%. For Labour the figures were 22% and 14%.

A 2017 study looking at British attitudes towards Jews by the Institute for Jewish Policy Research found that 30% of the general population hold at least one ‘anti-Semitic attitude’. Figures on the left are similar to or below the population mean, while those on the right are significantly more likely to hold at least one anti-Semitic attitude. Such facts do not stop the oft repeated accusations against the left.

I abhor racism of any kind but it appears entrenched in our society and had nothing to do specifically with those who happen to vote labour.

If you deny there is a problem with anti-semitism in the Labour Party
, then you are part of the problem.

[cyril evans awaydays]

If you deny there is a problem with anti-semitism in the Labour Party
, then you are part of the problem.

You posted that homily a while back. Others seem to have tried to advance the debate by adding views, opinions and sometimes facts. Cutting and pasting what you previously said like some kind of broken record like its an innate truth doesn't really add much.

[Nick]

You posted that homily a while back. Others seem to have tried to advance the debate by adding views, opinions and sometimes facts. Cutting and pasting what you previously said like some kind of broken record like its an innate truth doesn't really add much.

And how have you exactly advanced the debate? Personal attacks don't actually add to the debate.

Unless, of course, you are a member of the Labour Party, where for many it appears to be de rigeur.

[Auntie Andy]

And how have you exactly advanced the debate? Personal attacks don't actually add to the debate.

Unless, of course, you are a member of the Labour Party, where for many it appears to be de rigeur.

Do you agree Nick that this is a society problem and not a labour problem? Why would it JUST be a labour problem? Aren’t us labour voters just a cross section of society

[Nick]

Do you agree Nick that this is a society problem and not a labour problem? Why would it JUST be a labour problem? Aren’t us labour voters just a cross section of society

Racism can be found across all of society. This particular problem with anti-semitism manifests itself within the hard left of the Labour Party and as it is the hard left of the Labour party than now totally controls the problem then I would suggest that anti-semitism is far more of a problem within the Labour party than any other political party and with society generally.

[Auntie Andy]

Racism can be found across all of society. This particular problem with anti-semitism manifests itself within the hard left of the Labour Party and as it is the hard left of the Labour party than now totally controls the problem then I would suggest that anti-semitism is far more of a problem within the Labour party than any other political party and with society generally.

Can you give me facts and figures to back this up please?

[Nick]

Can you give me facts and figures to back this up please?

Find them your self

No don't bother if you are going to come up with Mickey Mouse figure like the ones in your OP

[cyril evans awaydays]

And how have you exactly advanced the debate? Personal attacks don't actually add to the debate.

Unless, of course, you are a member of the Labour Party, where for many it appears to be de rigeur.

You are right. I was just making an initial observation on your contribution thus far which seemed a bit simplistic and repetitive. I absolutely agree that personal attacks add little to the discussion and we can all be judged against that standard.

As for the substance of the discussion I think the Labour Party under Corbyn is all over the place in managing this issue and have gone on record in other threads to say so. The facile and personal interventions of Len McCluskey just exaggerate the point and until this is recognised the issue will not go away. It is perfectly permissible to differentiate between the scandalous extremes of the Israeli state under Netenyahu , it's behavour in undermining peaceful engagement and development of the Palestinian state, his personal corruption and its acceptance by other supportive nations without descending into anti-semitism. Yet a Labour Party founded in good part with Jewish input and with anti-semetic ideals finds itself a century or so on having a leadership that is unable to defend itself from accusations it would normally be making against other parties.

I am not sure that makes me a member of the Labour Party but if you have something similar to add other than a chant then please feel free to add.

[Nick]

You are right. I was just making an initial observation on your contribution thus far which seemed a bit simplistic and repetitive. I absolutely agree that personal attacks add little to the discussion and we can all be judged against that standard.

As for the substance of the discussion I think the Labour Party under Corbyn is all over the place in managing this issue and have gone on record in other threads to say so. The facile and personal interventions of Len McCluskey just exaggerate the point and until this is recognised the issue will not go away. It is perfectly permissible to differentiate between the scandalous extremes of the Israeli state under Netenyahu , it's behavour in undermining peaceful engagement and development of the Palestinian state, his personal corruption and its acceptance by other supportive nations without descending into anti-semitism. Yet a Labour Party founded in good part with Jewish input and with anti-semetic ideals finds itself a century or so on having a leadership that is unable to defend itself from accusations it would normally be making against other parties.

I am not sure that makes me a member of the Labour Party but if you have something similar to add other than a chant then please feel free to add.

Yes.

Good post.