Tan's apology

[StraightOuttaCanton]

I didn't claim that anyone said that. The OP did, however, claim that the haters "must surely forgive him now". As if there was only one problem in Tan's (mis-)handling of the club.

I don’t see any promises or even quotes in that article - is there a video similar to the one where he admits he made a mistake and put it right?

To be clear - I’m not pro-Tan or necessarily anti either. Owning football clubs in the top 2 divisions of the English leagues is for the mega rich. I’m not sure if it is about ego or asset accumulation or financial gain but I know that it has been taken out of the hands of the common supporter, and even though club ‘trusts’ are admirable they’re becoming less significant and carry very limited influence.

I’m ok with it as long as I have a team to support. I recognise there’s a risk that that might be taken away but I love the fact that the great city of my birth is about to get more worldwide recognition because of The Bluebirds!

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

I don’t understand the difference between all these financial thingys. I’m sure someone will tell me I should show more interest but I don’t really care. I’ve been reading this board since 1999 and I know some people have followed the finances closely for 20 years now- many before that.

My own view is we will always be in potential trouble- just like every other club really, (even the perfect Swansea everyone used to be jealous of). And if a time happens when it all seems too good to be true- then it probably is and a fall will come soon.

I don’t think I’ve ever liked any of our owners, I certainly have never trusted any of them and I’m sure I never will. Just the way it is. The way it should be in my opinion- fans getting too close to owners rarely ends well- as we know better than anyone.

All well and good - but I view owners as custodians of our football clubs. Football clubs probably get a little more protection than other businesses when it comes to things like name, location and (only recently) club colours. Fans getting close to owners never ends well - I agree - but fans holding owners to account, not much wrong with that is it?

[Father Dougal]

All well and good - but I view owners as custodians of our football clubs. Football clubs probably get a little more protection than other businesses when it comes to things like name, location and (only recently) club colours. Fans getting close to owners never ends well - I agree - but fans holding owners to account, not much wrong with that is it?

Nope. I haven’t defended tan at all. Merely saying i don’t trust any of them

As someone says above it wouldn’t surprise me if tan wiped the entire debt out himself, if he sold the club on, or if (as I thought he’d do) pocket the promotion/parachute money cut his losses and bugger off. Very pleased he didn’t do that but I’ve no idea what the future will bring. I’m sure the new owner will bring his own baggage. The way UK football is unfortunately.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

I don’t see any promises or even quotes in that article - is there a video similar to the one where he admits he made a mistake and put it right?

To be clear - I’m not pro-Tan or necessarily anti either. Owning football clubs in the top 2 divisions of the English leagues is for the mega rich. I’m not sure if it is about ego or asset accumulation or financial gain but I know that it has been taken out of the hands of the common supporter, and even though club ‘trusts’ are admirable they’re becoming less significant and carry very limited influence.

I’m ok with it as long as I have a team to support. I recognise there’s a risk that that might be taken away but I love the fact that the great city of my birth is about to get more worldwide recognition because of The Bluebirds!

I wasn't at the Q&A, but I believe some on here did attend. Maybe they can recall what was said. Quite a few news outlets ran with the story that the debt had been converted - and quite a few people used this "fact" to discredit my argument about the club being in a huge amount of debt. It's obvious there has been some misinformation somewhere.

Here's the report from the CCST

http://www.ccfctrust.org/?p=4590

[Tuerto]

You got to stick by the club through the bad times as well as the good we're now reaping the rewards from a couple of bad years I feel for tlg and bis who will hold a grudge to the grave but hey ho that's their choice

Bit presumptuous mate, they might choose cremation.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Nope. I haven’t defended tan at all. Merely saying i don’t trust any of them

As someone says above it wouldn’t surprise me if tan wiped the entire debt out himself, if he sold the club on, or if (as I thought he’d do) pocket the promotion/parachute money cut his losses and bugger off. Very pleased he didn’t do that but I’ve no idea what the future will bring. I’m sure the new owner will bring his own baggage. The way UK football is unfortunately.

I am not sure I said you were defending Tan.

If Tan had converted debt to equity, then there would be no danger of him pocketing the PL money to pay for his debts. To be honest, there's probably little chance he would do it now. However, a debt free club would be more attractive to potential investors, and it would stand a better chance of success in the long term. In my opinion, of course.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Bit presumptuous mate, they might choose cremation.

Cremation for me, every time. (Well, actually it will only be the one time )

[StraightOuttaCanton]

I wasn't at the Q&A, but I believe some on here did attend. Maybe they can recall what was said. Quite a few news outlets ran with the story that the debt had been converted - and quite a few people used this "fact" to discredit my argument about the club being in a huge amount of debt. It's obvious there has been some misinformation somewhere.

Here's the report from the CCST

http://www.ccfctrust.org/?p=4590

To be honest - I’m really not interested in any of the rhetoric. It may have been promised. It may have been an apology. I’m sure there are many other places in the internet where you could have the reasoned debate you want, but I think you probably know it’s not here - but your fortitude is at least impressive. I don’t believe there’s a person on here who hasn’t read your repeated perspective and opinion in such a way that we could all write your responses for you.

My sentiments are broadly expressed in the last 2 paragraphs of my reply to you which you for your own reasons chose not to acknowledge

I’ll make you a promise now - i’ll happily engage in any debate with you where my personal judgement is that you’re not being contrary or anti-CCFC, but will not respond in any more threads to you (or the other guy) where the 5 year old circular bullshit continues - Deal?

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

To be honest - I’m really not interested in any of the rhetoric. It may have been promised. It may have been an apology. I’m sure there are many other places in the internet where you could have the reasoned debate you want, but I think you probably know it’s not here - but your fortitude is at least impressive. I don’t believe there’s a person on here who hasn’t read your repeated perspective and opinion in such a way that we could all write your responses for you.

My sentiments are broadly expressed in the last 2 paragraphs of my reply to you which you for your own reasons chose not to acknowledge

I’ll make you a promise now - i’ll happily engage in any debate with you where my personal judgement is that you’re not being contrary or anti-CCFC, but will not respond in any more threads to you (or the other guy) where the 5 year old circular bullshit continues - Deal?

I think you're under the wrong impression that I care whether you reply to me or not.

[Tuerto]

Cremation for me, every time. (Well, actually it will only be the one time )

Make sure you take that 'grudge' with you, or move on, whatever that means.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Make sure you take that 'grudge' with you, or move on, whatever that means.

[StraightOuttaCanton]

I think you're under the wrong impression that I care whether you reply to me or not.

I’m totally ambivalent - but my promise stands. At least you’ll know there’s someone on here that you might be able to talk to other than yourself

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Here's another anti-Tan post (I am merely quoting him word for word in the article above).

"I think now, officially, the club owes me £107m (someone confirms by saying "correct"). And what I've decided that this, this, this year's account I'm going to write off, I'm going to convert sixty million pound into shares, into equity. So, that will leave about £47m debts, and the £47m we need it to for continuous write off to meet FFP, uh, FFP rules. So I am converting sixty million to show my, uh what and that's because we have resolved our long outstanding creditors, creditor who took us to court who said nasty things about us (laughter) but whom I say is the luckiest man in the football world that Vincent Tan came to Cardiff. So lucky, frankly I don't think he deserves it. I don't even mention his name, I don't want to mention his name. (laughter). It will spoil my day if I mention his name."

The interesting thing in this excerpt is how, in my opinion, Tan seems to be struggling to get his words out until he starts speaking about Hammam. I agree with you, it's hardly a promise and, watching it again tonight, it's hardly a convincing statement. Well, not to me it isn't.

[dml1954]

I am not sure I said you were defending Tan.

If Tan had converted debt to equity, then there would be no danger of him pocketing the PL money to pay for his debts. To be honest, there's probably little chance he would do it now. However, a debt free club would be more attractive to potential investors, and it would stand a better chance of success in the long term. In my opinion, of course.

And if he did convert all the debt to equity, you would be buggered as you wouldnt have anything to moan about would you. Then again you would find something else he said in the past and twist it to suit your own ends - again. Who cares what you think anyway, I know I dont.

[NYCBlue]

Why not forget? You can't change history. It's called moving on.

Jesus. Do I really have to quote "those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"?

"You can't change history but you can change the future". Heard of that one?

It's not called moving on. It's called putting your head in the sand.

[J R Hartley]

Well done Tim. Well done . 👏🙈

[Louth]

Jesus. Do I really have to quote "those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"?

"You can't change history but you can change the future". Heard of that one?

It's not called moving on. It's called putting your head in the sand.

A touch dramatic.

Chairman changes team colours - a small minority get upset.
Chairman reverts to original colours - a small minority are still upset.
Club gets promoted to PL - a small minority etc.

Conclusion - some people love being upset.


This is my last word on the subject - these 'fans' have been milking it for years.

I understand your pain hun!

Fecking man up and stop being drama queens.

[I'll give you the Malky!!]

A touch dramatic.

Chairman changes team colours - a small minority get upset.
Chairman reverts to original colours - a small minority are still upset.
Club gets promoted to PL - a small minority etc.

Conclusion - some people love being upset.


This is my last word on the subject - these 'fans' have been milking it for years.

I understand your pain hun!

Fecking man up and stop being drama queens.

The fact that you assert "a small minority" got upset over the rebrand renders this post clueless......seriously a small minority ???

[Nick]

The fact that you assert "a small minority" got upset over the rebrand renders this post clueless......seriously a small minority ???

I'd say that it was probably a smallish minority of Cardiff City supporters, though these people represent a far larger proportion of people that post on the several Cardiff City message boards about the rebrand.

[stan butler]

A touch dramatic.

Chairman changes team colours - a small minority get upset.
Chairman reverts to original colours - a small minority are still upset.
Club gets promoted to PL - a small minority etc.

Conclusion - some people love being upset.


This is my last word on the subject - these 'fans' have been milking it for years.

I understand your pain hun!

Fecking man up and stop being drama queens.

Attention seekers tha's all

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

And if he did convert all the debt to equity, you would be buggered as you wouldnt have anything to moan about would you. Then again you would find something else he said in the past and twist it to suit your own ends - again. Who cares what you think anyway, I know I dont.

Echo chamber

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

I'd say that it was probably a smallish minority of Cardiff City supporters, though these people represent a far larger proportion of people that post on the several Cardiff City message boards about the rebrand.

I've never quite understood the argument that the majority are likely to be the correct ones. It's a flawed argument.

[Since62]

A touch dramatic.

Chairman changes team colours - a small minority get upset.
Chairman reverts to original colours - a small minority are still upset.
Club gets promoted to PL - a small minority etc.

Conclusion - some people love being upset.


This is my last word on the subject - these 'fans' have been milking it for years.

I understand your pain hun!

Fecking man up and stop being drama queens.

I am pretty sure the Chairman Mehmet Dalman `didn't change anything or change it back (although he was influential in the decision). The person who did the change and reversion was the owner Vincent Tan