According to McDonnell this morning, Venezuela was not a socialist country.
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According to McDonnell this morning, Venezuela was not a socialist country.
Seumas Milne, now Corbyn’s press wrote ""Venezuela and its Latin American allies have demonstrated it’s no longer necessary to accept a failed economic model, as many social democrats in Europe still do.”
Union boss Len McCluskey saw Venezuela as a country that the rest of us should copy. “Europe might want to learn the obvious lessons from Venezuela,” he said.
Diane Abbott agreed that Venezuela showed “another way” of doing politics
Venezuela is, and has been a terrible advert for socialism, much in the way that capitalism has been stained by the tory governments in the UK, there is no moral high ground to be gained by either IMO, where are the centralistsOriginally Posted by Nick
According to McDonnell this morning, Venezuela was not a socialist country.
This is only true for somebody who knows absolutely nothing about the country nor South America in general. It is a kleptocratic gangster state which has been financially levelled by some of the worst corruption and greed on earth. The idea that socialist principles shouldn't be weaved into our society because 'well, look at Venezuela' is about as dumb an argument as you can find.Venezuela is, and has been a terrible advert for socialism, much in the way that capitalism has been stained by the tory governments in the UK, there is no moral high ground to be gained by either IMO, where are the centralists
If the quote is to be taken in isolation, John McDonnell is quite obviously correct in this instance.
Oh, ffs Eric!
Go on...
lol
Go on...lol
Also there is quite a key difference between a centralist and centrist
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Are you serious ?Go on...
Also there is quite a key difference between a centralist and centrist
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Nah, no autocorrect, used the wrong word, you got meGo on...
Also there is quite a key difference between a centralist and centrist
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they spoiled, spoilt the South African world cup however.
Correct.
It is amusing that the Tories still seem to be banging the Venezuela drum. Most of the electorate either couldn't care, or couldn't point to the place on a map.
That article does a great job of not recognising any corruption within Venezuela thereby rendering it 'incomplete' at best or a complete load of biased rubbish at worst. You think there was no government level corruption and that every penny of the income from Venezuela's vast oil reserves was spent on failed social programmes?
What are your thoughts on Bolivia? They have done a far better job of managing a natural resource boom, undeniably socialist government, not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but strangely doesn't get a mention very often.
My view is pretty simple, the human instinct to be greedy will permeate whatever fantastic ideology anybody thinks they have BUT the idea that you can't have a more equal society than we currently have without imminent doom is fantasy.
You would like socialism Croesy, you would be the one stealing the money and sticking it in the Cayman Islands while everyone starves.
Always the snide little remarks when you find yourself on the wrong side of an argument. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Wrong side? You have yet to make your argument. Posting an article without comment doesnt pass for an opinion.
Snide remarks? Still hurts a little from when you called me a paedo sympathiser.
There can be no argument, Venezuela is and has been for all recent history a socialist / Communist country. All its leaders in recent years have been socialist / communist - from Betancourt through Chavez and through to Maduro.
Interesting to note there that the richest person in Venezuela is Chavez's daughter, Maria Gabriella Chavez, worth $4.2Billion. Not bad from being the daughter of a president who said being rich is very bad.
Venezuela may well be a gangster state but it is impossible to deny that for many, many years the country has been a socialist / Communist state.
Unfortunately, the likes of you nor your leader can see what he has done to the country. Corbyn tweeted - "Thanks Hugo Chavez for showing that the poor matter and wealth can be shared. He made massive contributions to Venezuela & a very wide world" - I am not sure that the good people of Venezuela quite agree with that view.
The imposition of price controls was an utter failure of policy, driving many, many companies supplying and producing the basics in Venezuela out of business. Socialism has meant that the inflation rate in Venezuela is now 18,000% - EIGHTEEN THOUSAND PERCENT, as the Government continues to print more and more money.
Communism and socialism has been the cause of the demise of Venezuela and will continue to do so. Remember this is the country with the highest known oil reserves in the whole world. Who else but the communists / socialists could have blown that for its own people.
An utter an abject failure.
On a broader point and not trying to score points, what is the best model for a communists / socialists country that we could compare or wish to become ,or with power do they simply become the same ego centrist ,greedy , self centered folk, that they accuse the right of becoming?
This is not about left or right. People are selfish and greedy, naturally, biologically! Socialism is theory based on everyone acting in the interests of the group, it can't work without violence and tyranny. Theoretical socialism hasn't been tried anywhere and won't be tried anywhere. Free market doesn't work either, these are economic and political theories.
Wow, we have another one.
And the rest of his mates said :::
Seumas Milne, now Corbyn’s press wrote ""Venezuela and its Latin American allies have demonstrated it’s no longer necessary to accept a failed economic model, as many social democrats in Europe still do.”
Union boss Len McCluskey saw Venezuela as a country that the rest of us should copy. “Europe might want to learn the obvious lessons from Venezuela,” he said.
Diane Abbott agreed that Venezuela showed “another way” of doing politics
Dangerous times
Read Corbyn's manifesto for the last election. I had no intention of voting for him until I read it. That's exactly what this country needs.
You are so ****ing stupid, you've actually spent a good portion of the day arguing with Eric Cartman, before then going on to actually prove him correct.
You seem to sit in judgment of people, whilst conveniently forgetting some of your shit soup servings of previous incarnations.
Who can forget you gloriously using the death of a schoolgirl in a park (she was hit by a branch) during a teacher's strike to score political points? You've often aimed to get as low as that, without really succeeding too much. If you were on fire, I would happily piss all over you, just as people piss all over your poorly researched and "Tories good, labour bad" monochromatic view of the world.
Have a wee look at the state of your Government, even your MPs are preparing for another election. Socialism is coming, and it's not before time.
Good for you. The reality is that if you were on fire i'd happily not piss all over you. Best wishes.
Probably best for you both to nip this in the bud now Mark.
You haven't mentioned one expensive socialist policy that caused the countries downfall but you have accidentally hit the nail on the head and gone a decent distance to proving me correct so thank you. You are right, almost everyone around Chavez got insanely wealthy. Is it a defined principle of socialism that the people in power gain extraordinary personal wealth? Clearly not, in the same way that theoretically capitalism isn't supposed to leave parts of society destitute as we see in the USA and UK? Nope of course not. Failed implementation is the issue here. The main problem with socialism is it concentrates absolute power and therefore the human instinct to **** everyone else over for your own personal gain is quite straightforward to achieve.
I know you really want to blame this theory because you have been taught to hate equality and intuitively adore the idea of an extreme meritocracy but it's more complicated than one being bad and another being good. What you are doing is no different to blaming 'capitalism' for our problems.
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