Nigel Owen eggers ref demands football

[Eric Cartman]

There’s something ironic about the way in which the sending off of a player in your match only benefits the next team that plays them

As is a yellow card in the last 20 mins, it is of no consequence to the player who receives it and no benefit to the team who was wronged. If we want a free flowing attacking game then something needs to be done.

Yellow card for time wasting is just hilarious sometimes, nobody gives a shit.

[Eric Cartman]

The sin bin is a good idea. However as refs are so powerless to stop time wasting in football the ball probably wouldn’t come back into play for the next 10 minutes, as the clock still runs down and the ref does nothing.

Sin bin for time wasting too. Sin bin for cynical acts which disrupt attacking flow or the game in general.

[Trigger]

I think a good way of getting rid of time wasting and diving overnight is to also book the captain for failing to control his team.

So someone is deemed to have dived, he gets a yellow and so does the captain. A team mate later dives and he gets a yellow and so does the captain get his second. Diving will be gone instantly.

Time wasting could follow the same rule but then sometimes what's deemed to be time wasting is hard to prove. Couldn't they just stop the clock when the ball is dead? Don't see why this is so hard to introduce.

[Pearcey3]

Sin bin for time wasting too. Sin bin for cynical acts which disrupt attacking flow or the game in general.

Just the point I was going to make. Teams will soon get the message.

[Nick]

The main problem seems to be the fact that a rugby referee has made the suggestion about players in football being sin-binned rather than the issue of sin-binning itself.

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What really gets me is that the players who appear to be the most blatant cheats, the likes of Ali and Grealish for example, are all extremely good footballers and really don't need to cheat.

[Hilts]

The main problem seems to be the fact that a rugby referee has made the suggestion about players in football being sin-binned rather than the issue of sin-binning itself.

No its both. Rugby has its own issues. You dont see football refs sticking their noses into rugby.

Sin-binning is a sh!t idea. When football players start spear tackling players , punching the opposition unconscious , gouging and feigning injuries by carrying fake blood capsules like rugby then I may start listening to Owens. Until then Im quite happy to leave that cr@p out of the game.

Does Owens want football refs shouting stay onside stay onside as well?

Football has its issues. Looking at the way rugby is reffed isnt the answer.

He was probably just asked the question though and hes entitled to answer it.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

There’s something ironic about the way in which the sending off of a player in your match only benefits the next team that plays them

Exactly. And that could be a team vying with you for promotion or a place above the relegation zone.
It's yet another case of that old internet chestnut. Everyone wants to express an opinion but some of those people become offensive when someone else does and in a civilised manner.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

No its both. Rugby has its own issues. You dont see football refs sticking their noses into rugby.

Sin-binning is a sh!t idea. When football players start spear tackling players , punching the opposition unconscious , gouging and feigning injuries by carrying fake blood capsules like rugby then I may start listening to Owens. Until then Im quite happy to leave that cr@p out of the game.

Does Owens want football refs shouting stay onside stay onside as well?

Football has its issues. Looking at the way rugby is reffed isnt the answer.

He was probably just asked the question though and hes entitled to answer it.

It sounds like you are 'sticking your nose' into rugby

[Hilts]

It sounds like you are 'sticking your nose' into rugby

😂

I could go on.😂

[Since64]

I just wonder what the reaction would be if this had been said by somebody in football.All this play acting shite is killing the game.Its interesting though in countries like Italy this kind of behaviour is often regarded as being clever.This thread ought to be retitled to "Shoot the messenger"

Worldwide,football has never been so popular

[sneggyblubird]

No its both. Rugby has its own issues. You dont see football refs sticking their noses into rugby.

Sin-binning is a sh!t idea. When football players start spear tackling players , punching the opposition unconscious , gouging and feigning injuries by carrying fake blood capsules like rugby then I may start listening to Owens. Until then Im quite happy to leave that cr@p out of the game.

Does Owens want football refs shouting stay onside stay onside as well?

Football has its issues. Looking at the way rugby is reffed isnt the answer.

He was probably just asked the question though and hes entitled to answer it.

You seem to be looking at issues that have been long sorted in reference to rugby.Even that fake blood incident(the only one in its history)was sorted severely but by your inference it seems you think it still goes on.Its funny actually that when you think about it the things that you mention and were sorted only highlights the fact that we have a problem in football thats been around since I can remember, yet the authorities seem uninterested or unable to do something about it and yet you critisise a bloke just for having an opinion.You should have started off with your last sentence and left it at that.

[Eric Cartman]

You seem to be looking at issues that have been long sorted in reference to rugby.Even that fake blood incident(the only one in its history)was sorted severely but by your inference it seems you think it still goes on.Its funny actually that when you think about it the things that you mention and were sorted only highlights the fact that we have a problem in football thats been around since I can remember, yet the authorities seem uninterested or unable to do something about it and yet you critisise a bloke just for having an opinion.You should have started off with your last sentence and left it at that.

Diving in football = blood capsules in rugby

[Former Labour leader]

As someone said earlier, sin-bins would not work in football. Look at the mess VAR has got into. No, football (not fecking soccer!) Is a great game that needs to be free flowing and not stop start like American football and rugger.
Incidents of foul play, diving and time wasking need to be dealt with more firmly by the refs, and backed up by their masters.

[Eric Cartman]

As someone said earlier, sin-bins would not work in football. Look at the mess VAR has got into. No, football (not fecking soccer!) Is a great game that needs to be free flowing and not stop start like American football and rugger.
Incidents of foul play, diving and time wasking need to be dealt with more firmly by the refs, and backed up by their masters.

Not entirely sure what Nigel is asking for but my point is simply that the final quarter of games are not free flowing. So often the team in front (or in the case of a draw, the team who is happy with a point) frustrate in terms of time wasting and disrupt in terms of cynical fouling. Each player 'takes' a yellow card rendering the punishment completely pointless. Yellow card with 20 mins to go is like the ref waving his shopping list, no effect whatsoever.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

As someone said earlier, sin-bins would not work in football. Look at the mess VAR has got into. No, football (not fecking soccer!) Is a great game that needs to be free flowing and not stop start like American football and rugger.
Incidents of foul play, diving and time wasking need to be dealt with more firmly by the refs, and backed up by their masters.

Why would a sin-bin decision necessarily take a VAR stoppage when a yellow card incident doesn't?

[BLUEAWAY]

Worldwide,football has never been so popular

I wonder if you can substantiate that comment?

[Ianto13]

All Sports can learn from each other, Goal line technology from Tennis has proved successful, VAR WILL come into football to help refs and diving or play acting needs eliminating from our game,perhaps sin bins will solve, without trying no one will know?

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

VAR was pushed and pushed again by Sky - for 2 seasons at least every dodgy decision prompted ' we need VAR' comments. For the TV companies it's an added bit of 'drama', and so will sin bins. All it will do is slow down the game even more, and unlike rugby where an extra man makes all the difference, all you will see is 10 men behind the ball for the duration of the 'ban'...

Exactly.

Also, player's taking an age to take a throw-in, players taking an age to take a goal kick. All the while knowing that 10 minutes in football is 10 minutes. The ref will add on time at the end of the half for all the time wasting.

If they bring in a sin-bin, it will be exciting for a season, then people will moan about how referees are seemingly trying to be centre of attention (which is one jibe we often get about referees).

Who is going to monitor the 15 minutes sin bin? The fourth official? They don't get that luxury in tier 7 of the pyramid. It's been introduced in tier 7 this season, the referees hate it, the players hate it, the fans hate it.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

There’s something ironic about the way in which the sending off of a player in your match only benefits the next team that plays them

Except it doesn't.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

The main problem seems to be the fact that a rugby referee has made the suggestion about players in football being sin-binned rather than the issue of sin-binning itself.

Not true, in fact those arguing against the sin bin are mainly giving reasons why it won't work. As yet, you haven't given any reason why you agree,

[Elwood Blues]

As someone said earlier, sin-bins would not work in football. Look at the mess VAR has got into. No, football (not fecking soccer!) Is a great game that needs to be free flowing and not stop start like American football and rugger.
Incidents of foul play, diving and time wasking need to be dealt with more firmly by the refs, and backed up by their masters.

What is wrong with using the word soccer Jeremy?

[Nick]

Not true, in fact those arguing against the sin bin are mainly giving reasons why it won't work. As yet, you haven't given any reason why you agree,

I have yet to see a cogent argument in this thread as to why sin bins would not work in football, despite you suggesting that everyone is giving reasons it won't work.

Take your reasoning for example, and I quote:

"Owen also doesn't appreciate that sin bins won't work in football because football isn't rugby (thank feck)"

A good strong argument, that - Sin bins won't work in football because football isn't rugby.

Had video assistance been in place during the European final then Ramos would probably have spent at least 30 minutes in the bin for elbowing the keeper and for blatantly cheating and trying to get a free-kick / booking / Sending off for Mane. That may have made a difference to the outcome of the game.

I do hope, however, that some retrospective action is taken against Ramos for what was picked un on video, as referred to above. He deserves to be banned for quite a few games for those antics, which are not needed and not welcome on any football pitch or any other sporting field for that matter.

I still see the main problem in this thread being a rugby referee making a comment on football rather than the issue of VAR / sin bins in themselves.

It is woven throughout the whole of the thread.

[light up the darkness]

What is wrong with using the word soccer Jeremy?

Association Football?

[Harry Monk]

I think a good way of getting rid of time wasting and diving overnight is to also book the captain for failing to control his team.

So someone is deemed to have dived, he gets a yellow and so does the captain. A team mate later dives and he gets a yellow and so does the captain get his second. Diving will be gone instantly.

Time wasting could follow the same rule but then sometimes what's deemed to be time wasting is hard to prove. Couldn't they just stop the clock when the ball is dead? Don't see why this is so hard to introduce.

Because travelling fans would miss the last train home. Oh yeah, I forgot, only arm chair fans matter.