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I had switched off recently with so much political point scoring going on ,between parties , within parties, and lets not forget the barriers erected by Europe.
I am so confused by recent events , if we have a soft Brexit , it means we go against all those no voters and it could devastate a party at the next election if we remain partly in , not able too control all our laws , along with freedom of movement is still upon us and were handing over Billions still ,eeek .
Yes it's all the other parties fault oh and er dont forget to blame Europe for having a coherent strong negotiating position. The Tory party held the referendum, the Tory party had a leadership election to choose the best person to lead brexit, the Tory party had an election to further establish their mandate.
Labour have no answers on brexit but even if they had a fantastic consistent message it would be completely ignored by both the government and the media.
Long term if the conservatives escape this shit storm by blaming a combination of remainers/europe/other parties we will know once and for all that the game is rigged and the media have absolutely no interest in what is best for the people of this country.
Where are all the prominent brexiteers from the campaign? Why are they not banging the door down with their utopian vision anymore? Reality is they are biding their time waiting to emerge from under their rocks to exclaim 'well if brexit had been implemented properly it would have been an incredible success!'
They said themselves they would be publishing a white paper detailing their negotiating position. Even they don't use the tired 'never reveal your hand' line anymore, they know that expired a year ago. They should know what they are asking for by now and they haven't the foggiest.
Interesting position of yours though, absolutely crucial that the opposition detail exactly their position but the government can keep it zipped? I can't really see the point when they aren't involved in the negotiations.
The real reason we don't know about the government's position is that they themselves don't know what it is yet, when did we trigger article 50 again?
What exactly could our negotiating hand be that the EU won't already know?
It's dazzlingly clear that the government don't know what they're doing or what they want. Labour would be just as useless before anyone thinks I'm being partisan. The can is being kicked down the road.
My thoughts as well its not rocket science to know what we want,didn't Dave Boy try that one , with freedom of movement thing and failed , I have always thought that the soft Brexit crew ( who never had a top 10 hit by the way ) are using Michel Barnier and he is using them to disrupt both parties to force a breakdown and force an election .Originally Posted by lardy
I do wonder though if JC moved aside and Kier Stamer stepped up and declared their position to stay in the customs union it may bring Labour victory albeit a tight one ,however I do wonder if they would see a shift in voting intentions where they may lose some in their anti European traditional heart lands and win more in the south west /east ,now if they were canny , they could be in power and then try and win back the heartlands gradually by imposing stronger migration rules .
This is a huge gamble and part of me thinks the public are being used for just political gain ,whereby a decent set of MP's should come together for such important matters like this , and that of say NHS and Rail ,it should be above party polices not used as a weapon.
And yes that all parties ,not one of them is telling the truth .
May has never had any intention of leaving the EU. It says more about you if you think it's dazzlingly clear that the government don't know what they are doing.
Are you okay?
You devoted most of your response to my post to discussing the Labour position on brexit, now you say 'stop talking about it, it is irrelevant'. Very strange.
Double post
EU will think we have a formalised position on the major issues but TM and the government have played a blinder and completely fooled them by not having a clue what they want.
You are right though, the variables are all out in the open.
I thought it was pretty clear that I wasn't talking about brexiteers on here, unless you or others on here consider yourselves prominent brexiteers?Variables, routes to market, etc yes they are all out in the open (statement of the bleeding obvious)
What is unknown to the EU is what route / variables we take.
As for strange - the only thing strange is posting a question on Brexit and then expecting to find the 'utopian' answer.
Maybe before the end of the afternoon we will have found a cure for cancer, come up with a policy to reduce the deficit and pay off the debt - as well as find time to fix conflict in Syria
There was a very confident brexit campaign led by a load of politicians who have now detached themselves from any responsibility to deliver what they promised everybody. They sold the idea that we could cherrypick from our current arrangement with the EU, they have vanished into thin air and now we hear brexit is failing because of Europe, remainers and labour/lib Dems. Why didn't they fancy being there to implement their vision?
It is a pretty fair request no? If someone is passionate about an issue they should see it through to the end.
Thanks Wales Bale’s, White House and Whitehall insider you certainly get about!
The source is a Conservative media ITK person, he hasn't disclosed anything further. I'm guessing an impending leadership challenge?
It was Iain Dale the LBC broadcaster inferring Davis was about to quit. As it happens Davis didn’t quit because he is a vain, lazy stupid twat.
That would have been an interesting development. I still feel there might be another leadership challenge at some point.
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