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Thread: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

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    Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    Let's not go through the old arguments or descend into juvenile gammon-speak etc - buy have you, members of your family, friends or colleagues changed opinion since the vote? I genuinely want to know and I don't have an agenda of any description. Would name-callers and those indulge in Punch and Judy spats please give this thread a miss.

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    I've gone from being a remainer who came very close to voting leave to far more firmly in the remain camp - not sure that's changing my mind, but I've moved quite a way on the subject. I try to avoid discussing the subject if possible. so I don't think it's too much of a surprise when I say none of the people I know have admitted to changing their mind - it's a subject where opinions tend to be very entrenched I suppose.

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    Remain then and even more so now.
    I simply can’t believe how much of an ongoing farce this is.

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    Yes even more convinced those who voted leave have ****ed up this country for good , idiots

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    I've just mugged a 'Remain' supporter, I took £350 out of his wallet, but he didn't seem to mind. I felt a bit sorry for him, so I gave half of it back, but only on the condition that he spent it on things I say he can and that everything he buys should have a picture next to it of me saying I'd paid for it. He agreed. We are meeting again tomorrow to do the same thing. He said it was a fantastic idea and that he wouldn't be able to survive without me.

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    Quote Originally Posted by ian gibson View Post
    I've just mugged a 'Remain' supporter, I took £350 out of his wallet, but he didn't seem to mind. I felt a bit sorry for him, so I gave half of it back, but only on the condition that he spent it on things I say he can and that everything he buys should have a picture next to it of me saying I'd paid for it. He agreed. We are meeting again tomorrow to do the same thing. He said it was a fantastic idea and that he wouldn't be able to survive without me.

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    I voted to remain ,however having listened to the Europeans I'm well out , the very first thing they forced to agree on was supporting thier bloated pension fund .

    They are diversify Europe , picking on the weak , whilst tge strongbsuch as Germany and France get stronger and they are only true benefactors.

    All they had to do was agreed with Dave Boy and curb freedom of movement .

    I fear they kept movement In place too enable the poorer countries to exploit our generous beneficial systems, such as health ,better minimum wage ,schooling
    (all of which we take advantage of and moan about ), that migration provided relief to those homeland countries such as Poland and Romania .

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    Yes, abstained 1st time although a leaver.

    Would 100% vote leave if another vote, the way in which a democratic vote is being pushed aside is shameful.

    Have never voted Tory, but have never been given another chance because I didn't like the result.

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    I still believe brexit is the right path, so it's a thumbs down to the undemocratic socialist globalists, and their open border/single currency/unified military nightmare. Let's just be friends and do a bit of trade, without all the authoritarianism, threats and drama

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    Remain then for 2 simple reasons that. One our GDP wouldn't have had to take much of a hit to nullify the savings made in contributions I.e. It just wasn't worth the risk in order to trade with a load of countries we can already trade with that are thousands of miles away.

    2nd was that I just didn't think we would get our act together. Didnt actually see it going quite this badly. From a few chats with friends of friends who worked in the political sphere in London and Brussels their focus was always on the impossible task of negotiating lots of trade deals in a short period of time without conceding on lots of important points. They said we didn't have the civil servants to do this and none of the British in Brussels with the requisite skills were coming home.

    Mind definitely not changed and I feel the economic argument has already been vindicated. We will wait and see with trade deals but given the way the negotiations with Europe have gone I don't hold out much hope.

    Ps now I think about it there was a third reason. I actually like being able to move around Europe without much in the way. Not saying we won't be allowed to after brexit but the risk is there.

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Remain then for 2 simple reasons that. One our GDP wouldn't have had to take much of a hit to nullify the savings made in contributions I.e. It just wasn't worth the risk in order to trade with a load of countries we can already trade with that are thousands of miles away.

    2nd was that I just didn't think we would get our act together. Didnt actually see it going quite this badly. From a few chats with friends of friends who worked in the political sphere in London and Brussels their focus was always on the impossible task of negotiating lots of trade deals in a short period of time without conceding on lots of important points. They said we didn't have the civil servants to do this and none of the British in Brussels with the requisite skills were coming home.

    Mind definitely not changed and I feel the economic argument has already been vindicated. We will wait and see with trade deals but given the way the negotiations with Europe have gone I don't hold out much hope.

    Ps now I think about it there was a third reason. I actually like being able to move around Europe without much in the way. Not saying we won't be allowed to after brexit but the risk is there.
    So you're in favour of remaining onboard the European Titanic? I just want to point out that the lifeboats are reserved for first-class passengers only

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    - is this right - so you put in 22 billion a year, and get back 12 billion. 10 billion down on the deal. Where as Poland puts in 4 billion and gets back 18billion.
    If you are a mass food producer - happy days, you can keep your prices artificially high, sell into other EU countries that have to buy your over priced food. It's little wonder the Germans, French, Poles, Spanish are a happy bunch.
    It seems to easy to understand, keep a lid on movement of people. At the same time - we trade freely internally, group together as 1 team for trade to countries outside the EU. This what the common market was supposed to be like.

    Before the commission wanted to expand the member states, wanted an EU defence force, etc etc - it's not really a club I longer want to be part of.
    This is how it was initially setup during Phase 1 for a number years until they got us roped in, after which they continually moved the goalposts during Phase 2, Phase 3, Phase 4, etc., of the total integration process. The thing is they have never once told you where the end destination is going to be ..

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    So you're in favour of remaining onboard the European Titanic? I just want to point out that the lifeboats are reserved for first-class passengers only
    Women first isn't it? that's a can of worms these days

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    Women first isn't it? that's a can of worms these days
    Well done for getting women and cans into the same sentence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Well done for getting women and cans into the same sentence?
    You've lost me

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    Quote Originally Posted by ian gibson View Post
    I've just mugged a 'Remain' supporter, I took £350 out of his wallet, but he didn't seem to mind. I felt a bit sorry for him, so I gave half of it back, but only on the condition that he spent it on things I say he can and that everything he buys should have a picture next to it of me saying I'd paid for it. He agreed. We are meeting again tomorrow to do the same thing. He said it was a fantastic idea and that he wouldn't be able to survive without me.
    If you'd have kept the lot and then mugged another 999,999 people for the same amount you could have donated the lot to the NHS thereby saving the Government one of it's weekly payments .

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I still believe brexit is the right path, so it's a thumbs down to the undemocratic socialist globalists, and their open border/single currency/unified military nightmare. Let's just be friends and do a bit of trade, without all the authoritarianism, threats and drama
    Isn't that what your hero has built his political (actually, change that to whole) career on?

    As for these socialist globalists, I'd quite fancy voting for them.

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I voted to remain ,however having listened to the Europeans I'm well out , the very first thing they forced to agree on was supporting thier bloated pension fund .

    They are diversify Europe , picking on the weak , whilst tge strongbsuch as Germany and France get stronger and they are only true benefactors.

    All they had to do was agreed with Dave Boy and curb freedom of movement .

    I fear they kept movement In place too enable the poorer countries to exploit our generous beneficial systems, such as health ,better minimum wage ,schooling
    (all of which we take advantage of and moan about ), that migration provided relief to those homeland countries such as Poland and Romania .
    So, you're saying it was all about immigration?

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Isn't that what your hero has built his political (actually, change that to whole) career on?
    I'm with Jeremy the Brexiter, I don't think he is at all authoritarian and threatening, he seems like he is a man of the people

    As for these socialist globalists, I'd quite fancy voting for them.
    I wouldn't be too enamoured with the globalists if I were you, at least until you know what their end game is.

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    It's ironic that southern Europeans think that the Germans are exploiting them whilst many Germans consider that Germany is subsidising the southern European states (and while working longer hours and retiring later). Can any of you economists shine a light on how things really pan out between the two entities?

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    So you're in favour of remaining onboard the European Titanic? I just want to point out that the lifeboats are reserved for first-class passengers only
    I don't think we are any less doomed than the EU and if anywhere has an inequality crisis it is here. I don't know why you are so convinced leaving will fix anything. You are just giving a tiny bit more power to a bunch of people who don't want anything to change.

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    I don't think we are any less doomed than the EU and if anywhere has an inequality crisis it is here. I don't know why you are so convinced leaving will fix anything. You are just giving a tiny bit more power to a bunch of people who don't want anything to change.
    I'd rather be in a position to vote them out

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I'd rather be in a position to vote them out
    We've had 40 years of either the Tories or labour in its most tory-like guise, so I'm amazed you think that voting them out is realistic.

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    We've had 40 years of either the Tories or labour in its most tory-like guise, so I'm amazed you think that voting them out is realistic.
    More realistic than not having any chance at all. If you were actually paying attention, you would soon realise why it's only the chosen ones who succeed.

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    Re: Anyone changed their mind since the Brexit referendum?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    More realistic than not having any chance at all. If you were actually paying attention, you would soon realise why it's only the chosen ones who succeed.
    Chicken and the egg, do they succeed because they're the chosen ones or are they the chosen ones because they succeed?

    I'm not expecting a coherent reply.

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