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Everything I hear about us is very negative. Even the manager seems to be getting his excuses in early on.
Whilst I understand a large part of it comes down to how much you spend, there has got to be some sort of plan and the chairman has got to somehow make another 20 million available, at least to get us on the same page as the rest. If we don't have the personnel, then it's not down to the crowd to get us there, it's down to the fricking manager to train harder and to be more creative tactically.
You can't say " we are stuffed cause we don't have the cash" and on the other hand say "the fans have to be up for it". It's almost as if the chairman and manager have washed their hands of this season already and are leaving it to the players and fans to see what they can do with this car-crash of a season. That's what it feels like to me.
I cannot see Warnock lasting too long with this kind of attitude.
There is a middle ground between Optimism and Negativity. It's called Reality.Originally Posted by Divine Wright
I see his statement as being more realistic than negative.
The last thing I would want would be false optimism.
I want to win the lottery jackpot, I hope that I will, but I don't expect to. That doesn't stop me buying a ticket.
I want us to avoid relegation, I hope that we will, but at this point I realistically don't expect to. That will not stop me supporting the club.
This.
Think you've hit the spot.
So many clubs over spend and then fail and then have to deal with the long term fall out ( see Cardiff's last promotion to this level ) .
Yes we probably have the weakest squad in skill and value in the Premiership , therefore you are categorized as likely to be bottom,that is a sensible option .
If we had spent 300 million we would be talking top 10 .
If we had spent £50m, £100m, £200m or £300m the expectations of fans would have been different. Undoubtedly there would be much debate as to what we should expect for each amount. As you say £300m might be top ten or better, £50m a better chance of avoiding relegation. The pressure would be enormous. The angst if underperforming, destructive.
I hope that we can be a surprise package and it is far too early to be sure that we cannot.
But we have a start point and it’s a good one. Do enough to avoid relegation.
And let’s see not only where we are after say ten matches but what other clubs are doing. It may not just be the lowest spending clubs propping up the table.
Warnock has been around a long time, and he knows how to shake off responsibility. Almost very loss is down to refereeing.
The problem with "making another £20m available" is that the transfer window doesn't open until Cardiff have played 20 games, and it is unlikely they will have anyone else in by game 21.
What the club have done, very cleverly, is dupe fans into thinking that this is a "bonus" year, and that the club will come out of it in great shape. That all sounds lovely, but it is as ambiguous, vague and vacuous as anything I hear. All I kept hearing during the Sam era and the "£100m investment" era was "It's not our money, why should we worry?". The VERY same people are now saying "It's important that the club doesn't over spend". But, it's not YOUR money, so why are you bothered.
How many fans can honestly say that they will walk out of match day 21 with the club struggling and saying "at least we'll be in a better shape because of this". Then what? Another Championship promotion season, then another season of being uncompetitive and frugal. Warnock has obviously built a team ready for the next promotion campaign, but he's unlikely to be there when it kicks off. Also, how easy is it to go from a "car-crash" of a season as a group of individuals into a "promotion here we come" campaign. Craig Noone was the one getting plaudits in the last promotion season, where is he now? Caulker? Marshall? Turner? Kim Bo Kyung? All players who, theoretically, could have been part of a second promotion campaign who went on to struggle because of a season of being whipped, or went on to leave because they felt they were too good for the Championship etc etc.
On paper Cardiff have a very good Championship team (although a dodgy midfield). How good will that look if the team goes down (in the way that Warnock seems to be preparing people for)? Of course, this could all be "reverse-psychology" and making it "us against the world" - no harm in that. But, as a message, it's pretty uninspiring isn't it?
If you are playing poker, you don't tell the other players you have 4 aces !!!!!!
Calm down, as long as the players put the effort in, that's all we can ask.
I would prefer our bunch, to that of Wolvesalona and Fulshit, when the going gets tough.
We've played one game, we've had no off-the-field dramas so far and we have 2/3 new signings who might yet play an influential part. Perhaps a tadge too early to be describing it already as a car-crash of a season?
Tell that to NW, I’m just reading between the lines. It’s the way I’m interpreting this “we got no money = we got little chance” mantra eminating from the powers.
The clever thing about this “bluff” ,as some are calling it , is that if it comes true, which is looking very realistic, as others are calling it, then Warnock can say “ I told you so “.
The not so clever thing about it is that he is running the risk of generating apathy amongst the fans. It’s a conflicted message.
“They are a realistic bunch , the Welsh” feels a little condescending as well, but maybe my knickers are becoming a little twisted at that point......still, the Welsh do like a manager with ideas and a nice brand of football (see the Jacks/Martinez).
For me , the underdogs who have stayed up in this division have had one of two things, a manager with good ideas or money. It’s difficult to think of a side that stayed up on spirit alone.
If that is the reality then so be it. That said, this is competetive football and we have to be competitive, otherwise we are goingg to be playing 38 friendlies, and we all know the type of atmosphere that is generated at those games.
.....being competitive is not the same as “giving it your best”. I could give my best but I wouldn’t come anywhere near being competitive.
The comments are almost Slade-esque.
'We're not shopping at Harrods anymore'
I didn't wait a lifetime to hear more of that defeatist talk.
Come on Neil, we're here now, let's make a feckin go of it
Warnocks been in the game a long time and knows how to play the media. However, I didn’t read the likes of David Wagner sending out those kind of “realistic” vibes with Huddersfield last year. He said they weren’t there to make up the numbers, backed himself and got the rewards.
Fans respond to effort on the pitch more than anything. I think he's just trying to ensure that If we do a Palace of 17/18 and struggle in early games that fans stay on side and help pull us up the table.
The weaker the side is the more positive and supportive the crowd need to be. Season just started and no reason we can't stay up, even if it will be a challenge.
Agree with both of the last 2 posts. It doesn’t need to be overplayed by Warnock (everyone understands I think).
And we’re literally one game in and we’re arguably the more threatening side in the 2nd half of that game. We may get a couple of hidings from Man City and Liverpool but outside of that we will lost many more than we win but we’ll be competitive as will the scores
For about 20 minutes out of 90, Cardiff were the better team - but it was industrious, lacked quality and lacked end product. This in a game some people on here perceived as a relegation 6 pointer.
And this.
I reckon he believes he can keep us up. We weren’t expected to make the playoffs last season, and went up automatically. He’s just playing the underdog. Be an interesting interview if we hammer Newcastle with our full strength side.
I'm all for positivity (my earlier posts for example) but this is already starting to sound like we've come to terms with relegation. We very well could be but still. We all know how difficult this season is but hearing it over and over again from the manager sounds more defeatist than motivational. In reality there ARE teams that we can beat if we play well enough. But suggesting we can't before a ball is even licked against those teams...
I'm still "In Warnock We Trust" but using the same man management technique as last season doesn't seem like the best idea. We were underdogs last season. We're EVERYBODY'S favourite to finish last this season. It's not the same. So when you say we're shit, we believe it. Before, during and after the game.
All I'm saying is please beat Newcastle so we can ignore Warnock's doomsday narrative and get back to being excited.
I refuse to edit this.
No one wants us to stay up because they deem us coming up as a fluke, through the use of 'defensive' football. Just lots of noise from teams who've spent a bit more and need to ensure they gel to stay up.
He was saying similar last season. He believes we can stay up as do the players but realistically it's going to be a challenge, just as promotion was.
The media want sexy football, like how Wolves and Fulham played for a lot of last season. What they have forgotten about is the way we battered the big boys in the first few months of last season. The majority of pundits didn't take us seriously until after the January 2018 window closed and by that time we were playing percentage football.
What Warnock is saying is that the fans can help the team get back to that way of playing. We can physically dominate teams who underestimate us if we get our key players on the pitch. We will need to generate an intimidating home atmosphere where the opposition lose concentration and thats when we hurt teams.
Honestly, I don't see anything wrong with what we've done over the summer or the rhetoric from Warnock. If Fulham or Wolves under perform they will be forced into a fire sale next season, whereas we would be quite stable.
Behind the scenes the team will be fired up and im sure believe they will stay up.
Warnock played down expectations all last season too and it worked. We are quite likely to be relegated but we aren’t yet and we’ve only played one game. The next 2 games will give us a much better view.
We didn’t create much against Bournemouth but we held our own against a very good team away from home.
We’ve got a few new players to come in Saturday plus hopefully zohore. Let’s not panic just yet.
I'm not quite sure what was expected. I would have been pretty concerned if we'd approached the season in the way Wolves and Fulham have given the unpredictable nature of our owner. I think we've got the balance about right and I'm not waving the white-flag either yet.
The interview seem very much Warnock's style. I'm certainly not going to criticise him for his approach based on his performance to date. Ultimately all of these quotes/interviews sound OK, or not, depending on results, so I tend to take them with a pinch of salt. if we survive he'll probably be labelled a genius for taking the pressure off the players. If we finish bottom he'll be criticised for a lack of ambition. Let's see what happens.
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