Genuine question for leavers

[Eric Cartman]

Is this the brexit you voted for?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...trade-deal-nhs

The reason I ask is because this is 100% the brexit I most feared and I think we are looking more and more like getting it thrust upon us.

[severncity]

I voted leave because the EU is undemocratic, unaccountable, dominated by bullying Germany and in my opinion the stepping stone to a fascistic one-world corporatocracy.

So no.

[Eric Cartman]

I voted leave because the EU is undemocratic, unaccountable, dominated by bullying Germany and in my opinion the stepping stone to a fascistic one-world corporatocracy.

So no.

Does that mean you didn't mind what came after leaving because in your view it couldn't be worse than where we were headed within the EU?

[Rjk]

I voted leave because the EU is undemocratic, unaccountable, dominated by bullying Germany and in my opinion the stepping stone to a fascistic one-world corporatocracy.

So no.

I never really understood this corporatocracy argument - the EU has done more to tackle the excesses of multinationals than anyone, and certainly more than the UK could ever achieve by itself.

[severncity]

I never really understood this corporatocracy argument - the EU has done more to tackle the excesses of multinationals than anyone, and certainly more than the UK could ever achieve by itself.

Try reading about it and you may understand it if you are clever enough.

[Rjk]

Try reading about it and you may understand it if you are clever enough.

I have read about it, and the narrative that is being put forward doesn't appear to be backed up by what is actually happening.

[severncity]

I have read about it, and the narrative that is being put forward doesn't appear to be backed up by what is actually happening.

Read these then

http://www.europeanfinancialreview.com/?p=6074

https://www.mondialisation.ca/the-ri...ocracy/5532097

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ceta-eu-canada

[Gofer Blue]

I voted leave because the EU is undemocratic, unaccountable, dominated by bullying Germany and in my opinion the stepping stone to a fascistic one-world corporatocracy.

So no.

I voted leave for the first three reasons above (not so sure about the fascistic one-world corporatocracy!). I feel somewhat vindicated by this announcement yesterday which confirms my thinking:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...u-court-ruling

[life on mars]

I voted leave for the first three reasons above (not so sure about the fascistic one-world corporatocracy!). I feel somewhat vindicated by this announcement yesterday which confirms my thinking:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...u-court-ruling

You can add this greedy one as well https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...u-divorce-bill

dont see the usual pension moaners crisscrossing this pension, like they do of the business elite

[Veg1960]

You can add this greedy one as well https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...u-divorce-bill

dont see the usual pension moaners crisscrossing this pension, like they do of the business elite

Who do you think should pick up the cost of Farage's pension?

[life on mars]

I voted to stay ,and would easily vote to go ,all the experts come up with endless statements but no counterproductive plan.

Easiest thing in the world is to stand on the sidelines and say or this is rubbish .

Strangely May's plan has moved more towards a more centralist view , so why they all can't grab a cross party consensus to provide a deal is beyond me , however if they did it puts at jeopardy those agendas wanting to use this as general election tool , and power grab , bugger what the people voted for, and what might happen if we did crash out .

[Taunton Blue Genie]

On the one hand, leavers didn't really know what deal they were voting for and, on the other hand, remainers weren't really voting for the way the EU is inexorably heading...

[Wales-Bales]

Does this mean we going to become a part of the USA? The free movement sounds interesting, now we can all live the American Dream. We should have done this long ago, we have much in common.

[life on mars]

The EU is not a real community of fairness, some countries do not apply the same rules , pay poor minimum wages ,others don't pay benefits straight out (IE have longer qualifying periods ) , or provide total free health , poorer pensions .

What has always annoyed me is that we do the right thing every time,apply every rule .

I also wonder if Europe has secretly like the fact their poorer nations flow into us as our benefits, free health , and better minimum wages are better than most. ( we never got thanked for that one )

You now see supermarkets starting to stock more UK British flagged product's, hey this might at least kick start our farming,fishing industries back into life and create jobs,and what may follow that ??

[Rjk]

The EU is not a real community of fairness, some countries do not apply the same rules , pay poor minimum wages ,others don't pay benefits straight out (IE have longer qualifying periods ) , or provide total free health , poorer pensions .

What has always annoyed me is that we do the right thing every time,apply every rule .

I also wonder if Europe has secretly like the fact their poorer nations flow into us as our benefits, free health , and better minimum wages are better than most. ( we never got thanked for that one )

You now see supermarkets starting to stock more UK British flagged product's, hey this might at least kick start our farming,fishing industries back into life and create jobs,and what may follow that ??

Our benefits and minimum wages are certainly not better than a lot of our near neighbours.
Also the EU increasing the prosperity of eastern European countries has a reductive effect on immigration

[life on mars]

Our benefits and minimum wages are certainly not better than a lot of our near neighbours.
Also the EU increasing the prosperity of eastern European countries has a reductive effect on immigration

I was referring to the likes of Poland and Romania have a look at some of the data in this link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_minimum_wage

[CardiffIrish2]

No deal gets closer! Yay! god bless Brexit and taking back control, those blue passports made in France all seem so worth this utter farce eh!

[Eric Cartman]

No deal gets closer! Yay! god bless Brexit and taking back control, those blue passports made in France all seem so worth this utter farce eh!

Brexiteers playing such a dirty game today. This 'europe is bullying us' thing is such bollocks and so divisive but their core support will lap it up.

[Elwood Blues]

Brexiteers playing such a dirty game today. This 'europe is bullying us' thing is such bollocks and so divisive but their core support will lap it up.

I voted Remain and I think Europe is bullying us!!

Both Remainers and Brexiteers have played dirty games at times.

[Eric Cartman]

I voted Remain and I think Europe is bullying us!!

Both Remainers and Brexiteers have played dirty games at times.

Maybe you can explain it to me because I just don't see it.

[cyril evans awaydays]

I voted Remain and I think Europe is bullying us!!

Both Remainers and Brexiteers have played dirty games at times.

I am sure that when we start to negotiate trade deals with the US, China and India they will never seek to exploit the weakness of our position in the same way those nasty Europeans are doing!

[life on mars]

Where's the alternative plan ,it is so easy to sit on the sidelines and say that won't work ,or we are trying to protect jobs , its just populist soundbite, yes the government has made a pigs ear of this,however, whatever was proposed was always going to get kicked back.

Instead of short media grabbing soundbite statements , why doesnt Europe and /or the opposition actually publish an actual counter plan to the one on the table .

[lardy]

Where's the alternative plan ,it is so easy to sit on the sidelines and say that won't work ,or we are trying to protect jobs , its just populist soundbite, yes the government has made a pigs ear of this,however, whatever was proposed was always going to get kicked back.

Instead of short media grabbing soundbite statements , why doesnt Europe and /or the opposition actually publish an actual counter plan to the one on the table .

The onus is on the UK to make an alternative plan. I would say it's specifically on the elected MPs who are making a big deal about saying the UK will have a trillion pounds in the bank in a few years etc etc to come up with it.

But they won't and for very good reason.

The EU wants the UK to stay, so their best tactic is probably to let the UK repeatedly punch itself in the face until it sees sense.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

The EU bullying accusation seems at odds with the insistence that the EU need a deal as much as the UK does.

[life on mars]

The onus is on the UK to make an alternative plan. I would say it's specifically on the elected MPs who are making a big deal about saying the UK will have a trillion pounds in the bank in a few years etc etc to come up with it.

But they won't and for very good reason.

The EU wants the UK to stay, so their best tactic is probably to let the UK repeatedly punch itself in the face until it sees sense.

Seems like a one sided tactic,and not one of reason or fair mindeness, it reminds of my school yard days ,when one kept the ball and wouldn't give it back.