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  2. #32

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    Never mind the salaries the pension liability is my concern ,which goes way beyond salary earnings

    It was one of the very first discussion points placed on the table in front of the UK , not Trade, not the Irish Border,Free movement, nope what will the UK contribute as part of their CONTINUED pension liability .

    I just can't imagine ,certain political minded folk accepting this , if it was a fat cat banker ,rich old Tory , some old rich capitalist ( and rightly so )

    We should be even handed with all excessive spends ,especially when its tax payers money ,funding them .

    My battle bus would have shown the incredible liability of wages , buildings , pensions to the ordinary tax payers in Europe :
    32 thousand people plus expenses ( I bet not many on minimum wage)
    EU's total pension liabilities are £35.8 billion
    €1.756 billion euros per year running costs .

    Now there's a real socialist battle ground argument to be had , and one I'd enjoy AND SUPPORT ???

  3. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Never mind the salaries the pension liability is my concern ,which goes way beyond salary earnings

    It was one of the very first discussion points placed on the table in front of the UK , not Trade, not the Irish Border,Free movement, nope what will the UK contribute as part of their CONTINUED pension liability .

    I just can't imagine ,certain political minded folk accepting this , if it was a fat cat banker ,rich old Tory , some old rich capitalist ( and rightly so )

    We should be even handed with all excessive spends ,especially when its tax payers money ,funding them .

    My battle bus would have shown the incredible liability of wages , buildings , pensions to the ordinary tax payers in Europe :
    32 thousand people plus expenses ( I bet not many on minimum wage)
    EU's total pension liabilities are £35.8 billion
    €1.756 billion euros per year running costs .

    Now there's a real socialist battle ground argument to be had , and one I'd enjoy AND SUPPORT ???
    Finally somebody talking about the real issues, as opposed to project fear.

  4. #34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Finally somebody talking about the real issues, as opposed to project fear.
    There are 32 thousand civil servants working in the EU then? Seems reasonable, how many are there in the UK?
    The EU civil service salaries takes up 3% of their total budget

  5. #35

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    I read today that the Royal college of Nursing, British medical association and the Royal College of Midwives are against Brexit.

    Then you have Nigel Farage, Arron Banks Boris Johnson and Liam Fox.

    Says it all for me.

  6. #36

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Never mind the salaries the pension liability is my concern ,which goes way beyond salary earnings

    It was one of the very first discussion points placed on the table in front of the UK , not Trade, not the Irish Border,Free movement, nope what will the UK contribute as part of their CONTINUED pension liability .

    I just can't imagine ,certain political minded folk accepting this , if it was a fat cat banker ,rich old Tory , some old rich capitalist ( and rightly so )

    We should be even handed with all excessive spends ,especially when its tax payers money ,funding them .

    My battle bus would have shown the incredible liability of wages , buildings , pensions to the ordinary tax payers in Europe :
    32 thousand people plus expenses ( I bet not many on minimum wage)
    EU's total pension liabilities are £35.8 billion
    €1.756 billion euros per year running costs .

    Now there's a real socialist battle ground argument to be had , and one I'd enjoy AND SUPPORT ???
    Are you annoyed about our cut or the absolute level?

    If it is the former then surely this is just a sum and part of the negotiation and if it is the latter then you should have raised it years ago...

    Did you think it would be cheap to run a supranational organisation that does our bidding around the world???

  7. #37

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2 View Post
    I read today that the Royal college of Nursing, British medical association and the Royal College of Midwives are against Brexit.

    Then you have Nigel Farage, Arron Banks Boris Johnson and Liam Fox.

    Says it all for me.
    The fact that Brexiteers have no problem being intrinsically associated with Mr Banks says a lot.

  8. #38

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Never mind the salaries the pension liability is my concern ,which goes way beyond salary earnings

    It was one of the very first discussion points placed on the table in front of the UK , not Trade, not the Irish Border,Free movement, nope what will the UK contribute as part of their CONTINUED pension liability .

    I just can't imagine ,certain political minded folk accepting this , if it was a fat cat banker ,rich old Tory , some old rich capitalist ( and rightly so )

    We should be even handed with all excessive spends ,especially when its tax payers money ,funding them .

    My battle bus would have shown the incredible liability of wages , buildings , pensions to the ordinary tax payers in Europe :
    32 thousand people plus expenses ( I bet not many on minimum wage)
    EU's total pension liabilities are £35.8 billion
    €1.756 billion euros per year running costs .

    Now there's a real socialist battle ground argument to be had , and one I'd enjoy AND SUPPORT ???
    I know it might sound strange but the the amount of financial liability we agree to pay the EU is pretty minor in terms of the issues we have in leaving.

    Once we triggered Article 50 to leave the EU within two years we seemed a little surprised about what happened next. Some thought that this would trigger the negotiation of the easiest trade deal with EU in history.

    Unfortunately the EU had different ideas. They proposed and we bowed down to a sequential negotiation where we first agreed a withdrawal agreement before moving to an agreement of the future relationship once we have left on 29th March 2019.

    The withdrawal agreement needed to cover at the least three key points around the status of citizens post withdrawal, the treatment of the Irish Border and the net financial contributions the UK would make for its assets and liabilities.

    In December 2017 Theresa May came back from Brussels in triumph that she had agreed with an EU on these points allowing discussions around future trade relationships to commence. The agreement included the level of financial commitment we would make, INCLUDING PENSIONS, and a backstop on the island of Ireland.

    Since then the UK recognised that it needed more time to negotiate its future relationship and the EU agreed a transitional period where from March 2019 for 21 months to 31st December 2020 where for all intents and purposes we will take EU rules, have no say in them and pay more for the privilege.

    We finally presented the Chequers proposal that has been rejected by most sides within the UK and without. The aim now in the time remaining of Article 50 to conclude the withdrawal agreement, including the Irish backstop which since we signed up to in December 2017 has been in some dispute and enter into a political agreement on our future relationship that all can be agreed by the Conservative Party, Parliament the EU its 27 remaining member states and its Parliament before we officially leave on 29th March.

    If we don't we leave with no deal with all that entails. The good this from your point of view is that is that if that happens then we don't pay any contributions for pension provisions. Sounds great when you put like that I guess!!

  9. #39

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    'No deal is better than a bad deal' appears to have become 'come on guys please, this bad deal is better than no deal'.

    Rhetoric meets reality.

  10. #40

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    https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...mpression=true

    This article sums up May's issues quite nicely

  11. #41

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...mpression=true

    This article sums up May's issues quite nicely
    Good analysis around the UK's negotiations with itself. However, no sooner do you post something on this subject that the mathematics (math ffs) change. Now around 84 loyalists after Jo Johnson resigns!

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