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Thread: Brexit thread

  1. #376

    Re: Brexit thread

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Life would go back to normal and everyone would forget about the whole thing.
    Sounds good I am in. Make Brexiteers chose the flawed reality they voted for rather than the fantasy they were sold.

  2. #377

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    I'd like a no deal Brexit, just to see if an economic meltdown follows. They said the same thing about electing Trump, but the US now has the strongest economy in the world, the best employment figures in their entire history, an annual Inflation rate of 1.5%, and an annual rate of wage growth of 3.5%. The globalist driven, and media backed project fear has clearly failed in America.

  3. #378

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I'd like a no deal Brexit, just to see if an economic meltdown follows. They said the same thing about electing Trump, but the US now has the strongest economy in the world, the best employment figures in their entire history, an annual Inflation rate of 1.5%, and an annual rate of wage growth of 3.5%. The globalist driven, and media backed project fear has clearly failed in America.
    I think you just like the theatre of it all, with little concern for people who might be affected. The difference with Trump was that he inherited an economy that was doing pretty well and didn't have to do anything drastic (some think the tax breaks for the rich will still come back to haunt him) whereas we're doing something unprecedented. Whatever though, it'll make good viewing for you.

  4. #379

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays View Post
    I think you just like the theatre of it all, with little concern for people who might be affected. The difference with Trump was that he inherited an economy that was doing pretty well and didn't have to do anything drastic (some think the tax breaks for the rich will still come back to haunt him) whereas we're doing something unprecedented. Whatever though, it'll make good viewing for you.
    No, I just see through the political agendas and all the other nonsense. This was a stitchup from the moment all the Tory leadership contenders fell on their swords. The funniest excuse was the woman with an embellished CV, who now has a senior position in the Tory party!

  5. #380

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I'd like a no deal Brexit, just to see if an economic meltdown follows. They said the same thing about electing Trump, but the US now has the strongest economy in the world, the best employment figures in their entire history, an annual Inflation rate of 1.5%, and an annual rate of wage growth of 3.5%. The globalist driven, and media backed project fear has clearly failed in America.
    Totally different circumstances as you well know but yet again you have to shoehorn Trump into every thread.

    The economy of the USA was in a good position on handover to Trump and would have continued to do so if HC had been elected.

    I’m not doubting for one second the USA economy is in a good position now .

    To say you’d like a no deal Brexit just to see what happens is your entitlement of course but when I read stories from patients on Twitter reliant on medication and NHS staff who as far as I can see have no vested interest expressing genuine concerns of delays to vital medication in terms of a no deal Brexit I’d rather listen to them then some populist right wing narriatve.

  6. #381

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2 View Post
    Totally different circumstances as you well know but yet again you have to shoehorn Trump into every thread.

    The economy of the USA was in a good position on handover to Trump and would have continued to do so if HC had been elected.

    I’m not doubting for one second the USA economy is in a good position now .

    To say you’d like a no deal Brexit just to see what happens is your entitlement of course but when I read stories from patients on Twitter reliant on medication and NHS staff who as far as I can see have no vested interest expressing genuine concerns of delays to vital medication in terms of a no deal Brexit I’d rather listen to them then some populist right wing narriatve.
    Oh ye of little faith!

  7. #382

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I would agree to a simple yes or no vote on the deal May , nothing else on the ballot paper .


    In my view it gets us over the undemocratic way of changing a vote that has been delivered by a lot of people .
    Democracy is all well and good but very few people who voted for Brexit knew what they were actually voting for and the ramifications thereof. There are very good arguments for leaving the EU (a concept that has enormous flaws and which will probably end in tears) but the vast majority of Brexit voters I come across or see interviewed in vox-pops on the TV are incredibly ignorant of the economic and other consequences but our fate was put in their hands.

    I don't pretend that I knew all of the ramifications myself and I can't say I know anyone on the Remain side that did. All I know is that I wouldn't put my trust and future in the average voter on the street.

  8. #383

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    What would no trigger in your example?
    Leave with no deal( just joking ) no except it or stay

  9. #384

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Leave with no deal( just joking ) no except it or stay
    Democracy has been thrown on the bonfire.

  10. #385

    Re: Brexit thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Democracy has been thrown on the bonfire.
    May's intention is a pretty hard brexit. The withdrawal agreement suggests it anyway. What is the problem with asking the country if they actually want that reality?

  11. #386

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    My fave economic and political commentator, Brandon Smith, who I've posted articles by at this forum previously, has gone out on a limb in his latest piece because he's not only predicted the US stock market will decline by a third over the next seven weeks but he's sticking with his theory that Brexit will happen and with it be the planned and engineered pretext for the long anticipated black swan event.

    If I'm reading this Brexit delay vote correctly then all it'll take for Brexit to happen on the 29th of this month is for one of the other 27 member states to veto the hoped for delay.

    Here's the article which includes hyperlinks: http://www.alt-market.com/articles/3...gineered-crash

    The Global Economic Reset Begins With An Engineered Crash

    Wednesday, 13 March 2019 06:28 Brandon Smith

    For a few years now, since at least 2014, the phrase “global economic reset” has been circulating in the financial world. This phrase is used primarily by globalist institutions like the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to describe an event in which the current system as we know it will either die out or evolve into a new system where “multilateralism” will become the norm. The reset is often described in an ambiguous way. IMF banking elites will usually mention the end results of the shift, but they say little about the process to get there.

    What we do know is that the intent of the globalists is to use this reset to create a more centralized monetary system and micro-managed global economy. At the core of this new structure would be the IMF along with perhaps the BIS and World Bank. It is a plan that has been supported openly by both western and eastern governments, including Russia and China.

    As noted, the details are few and far between, but the IMF describes the use of open borders and human migrations during the reset as a means to transfer capital from various parts of the world. It is a novel if not utterly insane way to transfer wealth that only makes sense if you understand that the globalist goal is to deliberately conjure a geopolitical catastrophe.

    The IMF also asserts that blockchain technology will make capital transfer easier and more efficient in this future environment, which explains the enthusiastic globalist support for developments in blockchain technology and cryptocurrencies despite the notion in cryptocurrency circles that blockchain would somehow make the bankers “obsolete”.

    The IMF also acknowledges that in the meantime a slowdown in capital flows has occurred, and that this slowdown is ongoing since the crash of 2008. What they do not explicitly admit is that the crash of 2008 never ended, and that the decline we are witnessing today is merely an extension of the recession/depression that started ten years ago.

    Certain facts have become obvious to anyone with any sense over the past year. First, as the Federal Reserve began tightening stimulus policies by raising interest rates and cutting assets from their balance sheet, the global economy began to return to steep declines not seen since the credit crisis. I predicted this outcome in my article 'Party While You Can – Central Bank Ready To Pop The Everything Bubble', published in January of 2018. The plunge has started in almost every sector of the economy, from housing, to autos to credit markets to retail. Now, even jobs, numbers which are highly manipulated to the upside, are beginning to falter.

    The assertion in the mainstream media is that this recessionary downturn is new. This is not the case. What began in 2008 was an epic implosion of multiple national economies, and what we are seeing in 2019 is the final culmination of that process - The end game.

    It is not a coincidence that the downturn started right after the Fed began tightening stimulus measures in 2017. With only a minor increase in interest rates and moderate cuts to their balance sheet, all the conditions the economy suffered in 2008 are suddenly returning. What this tells us is that the US economy and parts of the global economy cannot survive without constant and ever expanding central bank stimulus. The moment the stimulus goes away, the crash returns.

    Does this mean that central banks will try to keep QE going forever? No, it does not. So far, the Fed has not capitulated at all from the path of tightening. In fact, the Fed nearly doubled its normal balance sheet cuts from January 30th to the end of February, dumping over $65 billion in a 30 day period. The Fed also has not changed its dot plot projections for two more interest rate hikes this year. This means all the talk the past two months of the Fed going “dovish” was nonsense. Setting aside their rhetoric and looking at their actions, the Fed has been as hawkish as ever.

    The only people who might find this to be news are most stock market daytraders, who ignore all other failing indicators and seem content to base their economic projections on equities alone. Set aside the fact that stocks plunged in December into near bear market territory. The bounce in January and February has convinced them that the Fed is stepping in and will not allow the economy to tank. But the "plunge protection team" is about to pull the rug out from under their feet after training them like Pavlovian dogs to salivate at the sound of the word "accommodation".

    Their mindset is based on a host of incorrect assumptions.

    To be clear, while the Fed paid lip service to “accommodation” in their public statements, it was not the central bank that stepped in monetarily to stall falling stocks. That was actually the Chinese central bank, pumping billions in stimulus into global markets at just the right moment.

    Chinese stimulus coupled with pension fund buying at the start of this year saved stocks from losses beyond 20%, but markets have met resistance on the way up. Without renewed stimulus measures from the Fed, equities have topped out multiple times and refuse to move towards their previous highs. This suggests that the two month bounce is over, and that stocks will now fall back down to December lows and beyond. If the projections I made in January are correct, then the Dow will fall into the 17,000 - 18,000 point range from the end of March through April.

    The facade is slowly but surely melting away, not just in economics, but everywhere. I predicted both the success of the Brexit vote as well as Trump's win in 2016 based on the theory that the globalists would allow or even help populists to gain a political foothold, only to crash the economic system on their heads and then blame them for the disaster. So far my theory is proving correct.

    Trump's trade war continues unabated despite claims by many that it would be over quickly. Currently, there are no plans for a March summit between Trump and Xi, and the possibility of a summit anytime soon has come into question as Trump's negotiations with North Korea fell to shambles last month. The negotiations are a farce and are not meant to succeed. I continue to hold to my position that the trade war is a planned distraction and that Trump is playing a role in a globalist scripted drama.

    The facade of Donald Trump as a “populist candidate” is quickly ending. His cabinet is loaded with think-tank ghouls and banking elites, so this should come as little surprise. But there are still some analysts out there that naively believe that Trump is playing “4D chess” and that he is not the pied piper he now appears to be. What I see is a president that claimed during his campaign that he would “drain the swamp” of elites, then stacked his cabinet with some of the worst elites in Washington D.C. What I see is a president who argued against Fed stimulus measures and the fake stock market during his campaign, and who now has attached himself to the stock market so completely that any crash will now be blamed on him no matter the facts. What I see is a willing scapegoat; a president that is going to fail on purpose.

    In terms of the Brexit, I still predict that there will be a “no deal” event, and that this is by design. The Brexit deal with the EU is slated to be decided in the next few weeks. A “no deal” outcome would be a perfect excuse for a major financial crisis in Europe, which is why I think it will happen. While sovereignty movements in the US will get the blame for the crash through Trump, sovereignty movements in the UK will get the blame for a crash in Europe through Brexit.

    It is important to remind the public that this narrative is entirely false. The economy has been in a state of animated death since 2008. Central bank stimulus acted as a kind of fiscal formaldehyde, keeping the visible signs of the crash at bay for 10 years but also creating a bubble even larger and more destructive than the one before. The “Everything Bubble” has now been primed to explode with maximum damage in mind.

    The Fed started the tightening process for a reason; the establishment is ready to start the “global economic reset”, and they have their populist scapegoats in place. The crash in fundamentals returned in mid-2018, and I believe that crash will finally be acknowledged publicly by the media in mid-2019.

    The point of it all is described in the very IMF interviews and documents I linked to above – Total centralization of the global economic framework, managed by the IMF. They describe it as “multilateralism” or a “multipolar world order”; this is meant to fool us into believing that the reset is about “decentralization”. It isn't. They intend to move us from one unipolar economic structure to another unipolar economic structure that is even more centralized. That is all.

    The crash itself is simply a means to an end. It is a tool to gain fiscal and psychological leverage against the public. The everything bubble was created for a reason. The Fed has tightened into economic weakness over the past year for a reason. The timing of Trump's trade war and summit failures have happened for a reason. The timing of the Brexit chaos is happening now for a reason. The globalists are pulling the plug on economic life support today; the crash is engineered, and sovereignty movements are supposed to take the blame.

    The best option at this time is to continuously force the issue of central bank culpability. Liberty activists have to keep the focus on them and their criminal participation in economic sabotage, and we cannot assume that any government or political leader will be friendly to our cause. The globalists have started the crisis, and we must finish it by making sure they are held accountable.

  12. #387

    Re: Brexit thread

    Another one: https://twitter.com/TheScepticIsle/s...28189368631297

    CONFESSIONS OF A "LIBERAL BREXITEER" If the UK doesn't leave the EU I don't personally care anymore.
    I didn’t sufficiently account for incompetence of govt; radicalisation of Brexiteers; LeaveVRemain becoming an intractable culture war; both sides becoming entrenched in their positions for 3 years with no compromise; Northern Ireland; Trump/Corbyn…& a shambolic election.
    The last 3yrs has been a descent into mediocrity. Terrible PM. Worst govt in living memory. An appalling, morally repugnant, divided opposition with a Far-Left populist leader. A divisive national debate awash with false information…
    Worst thing is EU nationals in the UK being treated as bargaining chips. How sad. The worst broken promise of Leave. Making these human beings with real lives feel insecure & unwelcome. This isn’t, or shouldn’t be, what Britain is all about!
    Our UK government is a shower of sh*t. Even before we talk about the external interference in our democratic process and illegal campaigning by one side, who can truly argue for "taking back control" when this is the result? And Farage travelling around Europe begging EU politicians to block what is now UK government policy?!? The worst thing is that we haven't really started to experience the consequences of Brexit just yet, but can anyone remember a time before this arguing and ugly debate and can anyone see a time when it's stopped and we're back as good a position as we were before Cameron warned about chaos with Ed Milliband?

  13. #388

    Re: Brexit thread

    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    Our UK government is a shower of sh*t. Even before we talk about the external interference in our democratic process and illegal campaigning by one side, who can truly argue for "taking back control" when this is the result? And Farage travelling around Europe begging EU politicians to block what is now UK government policy?!? The worst thing is that we haven't really started to experience the consequences of Brexit just yet, but can anyone remember a time before this arguing and ugly debate and can anyone see a time when it's stopped and we're back as good a position as we were before Cameron warned about chaos with Ed Milliband?
    This is all irrelevant, they are going against the will of the people. I have never come across such a bunch of sore losers in my entire life. Anybody who even thinks about voting after this is a mug.

  14. #389

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    May's intention is a pretty hard brexit. The withdrawal agreement suggests it anyway. What is the problem with asking the country if they actually want that reality?
    A pretty hard Brexit after a one year extension to Article 50

  15. #390

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    This is all irrelevant, they are going against the will of the people. I have never come across such a bunch of sore losers in my entire life. Anybody who even thinks about voting after this is a mug.
    A democracy has rules - you can't complain about it being thrown on a bonfire and ignore those who break the law.

  16. #391

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    My fave economic and political commentator, Brandon Smith, who I've posted articles by at this forum previously, has gone out on a limb in his latest piece because he's not only predicted the US stock market will decline by a third over the next seven weeks but he's sticking with his theory that Brexit will happen and with it be the planned and engineered pretext for the long anticipated black swan event.

    If I'm reading this Brexit delay vote correctly then all it'll take for Brexit to happen on the 29th of this month is for one of the other 27 member states to veto the hoped for delay.

    Here's the article which includes hyperlinks: http://www.alt-market.com/articles/3...gineered-crash
    This is the alternative theory that has kept me sitting on the fence, and I won't move off it until somebody plays their hand. Even Trump has been keeping his cards pretty close to his chest. He talks a good game, but I have seen little evidence of action one way or the other.

  17. #392

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays View Post
    A democracy has rules - you can't complain about it being thrown on a bonfire and ignore those who break the law.
    If the media were to be believed then I would agree with you.

  18. #393

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    A pretty hard Brexit after a one year extension to Article 50
    Brexiteers seem to think complicated things happen quickly. Children think like that too.

  19. #394

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Brexiteers seem to think complicated things happen quickly. Children think like that too.
    How long have they had already? I will be dead soon!

  20. #395

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    If the media were to be believed then I would agree with you.
    You don't believe the Leave side broke the law? Bit harsh to fine them, then.

  21. #396

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays View Post
    You don't believe the Leave side broke the law? Bit harsh to fine them, then.
    In my opinion, Brexit and MAGA are one and the the same. In fact, both campaigns worked together on a unified strategy. But the opposition also had a strategy, and we have learned a lot about it due to the unravelling of their Russia collusion operation. Without derailing this thread, do you think it's possible that a parrellel anti-Brexit operation was underway here too?

  22. #397

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    In my opinion, Brexit and MAGA are one and the the same. In fact, both campaigns worked together on a unified strategy. But the opposition also had a strategy, and we have learned a lot about it due to the unravelling of their Russia collusion operation. Without derailing this thread, do you think it's possible that a parrellel anti-Brexit operation was underway here too?
    I asked you a yes/no question and I get this. It's my fault; I should know better.

  23. #398

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays View Post
    I asked you a yes/no question and I get this. It's my fault; I should know better.
    how do you debate with a man who’s done and knows everything

  24. #399

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays View Post
    I asked you a yes/no question and I get this. It's my fault; I should know better.
    You simply can't make it a yes/no type of question, as there are too many players involved at all levels. I am not taking sides, just observing from a distance. All I know is there are people who are prepared to stop Brexit by any means, as there were people who were prepared to stop Trump. The difference is what has happened in the US is slowly being exposed, and we may yet get to see how long these tenticles are. Organ will have little trouble understanding the point I am trying to make, but I will admit it is fairly complex topic if you don't have a bit of background knowledge.

  25. #400

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamieccfc View Post
    how do you debate with a man who’s done and knows everything
    Ask lardy, he's tried for the past few years on topics where we have both had access to the same information

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