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Thread: Brexit thread

  1. #391

    Re: Brexit thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    My fave economic and political commentator, Brandon Smith, who I've posted articles by at this forum previously, has gone out on a limb in his latest piece because he's not only predicted the US stock market will decline by a third over the next seven weeks but he's sticking with his theory that Brexit will happen and with it be the planned and engineered pretext for the long anticipated black swan event.

    If I'm reading this Brexit delay vote correctly then all it'll take for Brexit to happen on the 29th of this month is for one of the other 27 member states to veto the hoped for delay.

    Here's the article which includes hyperlinks: http://www.alt-market.com/articles/3...gineered-crash
    This is the alternative theory that has kept me sitting on the fence, and I won't move off it until somebody plays their hand. Even Trump has been keeping his cards pretty close to his chest. He talks a good game, but I have seen little evidence of action one way or the other.

  2. #392

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays View Post
    A democracy has rules - you can't complain about it being thrown on a bonfire and ignore those who break the law.
    If the media were to be believed then I would agree with you.

  3. #393

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    A pretty hard Brexit after a one year extension to Article 50
    Brexiteers seem to think complicated things happen quickly. Children think like that too.

  4. #394

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Brexiteers seem to think complicated things happen quickly. Children think like that too.
    How long have they had already? I will be dead soon!

  5. #395

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    If the media were to be believed then I would agree with you.
    You don't believe the Leave side broke the law? Bit harsh to fine them, then.

  6. #396

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays View Post
    You don't believe the Leave side broke the law? Bit harsh to fine them, then.
    In my opinion, Brexit and MAGA are one and the the same. In fact, both campaigns worked together on a unified strategy. But the opposition also had a strategy, and we have learned a lot about it due to the unravelling of their Russia collusion operation. Without derailing this thread, do you think it's possible that a parrellel anti-Brexit operation was underway here too?

  7. #397

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    In my opinion, Brexit and MAGA are one and the the same. In fact, both campaigns worked together on a unified strategy. But the opposition also had a strategy, and we have learned a lot about it due to the unravelling of their Russia collusion operation. Without derailing this thread, do you think it's possible that a parrellel anti-Brexit operation was underway here too?
    I asked you a yes/no question and I get this. It's my fault; I should know better.

  8. #398

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays View Post
    I asked you a yes/no question and I get this. It's my fault; I should know better.
    how do you debate with a man who’s done and knows everything

  9. #399

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays View Post
    I asked you a yes/no question and I get this. It's my fault; I should know better.
    You simply can't make it a yes/no type of question, as there are too many players involved at all levels. I am not taking sides, just observing from a distance. All I know is there are people who are prepared to stop Brexit by any means, as there were people who were prepared to stop Trump. The difference is what has happened in the US is slowly being exposed, and we may yet get to see how long these tenticles are. Organ will have little trouble understanding the point I am trying to make, but I will admit it is fairly complex topic if you don't have a bit of background knowledge.

  10. #400

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamieccfc View Post
    how do you debate with a man who’s done and knows everything
    Ask lardy, he's tried for the past few years on topics where we have both had access to the same information

  11. #401

    Re: Brexit thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    This is the alternative theory that has kept me sitting on the fence, and I won't move off it until somebody plays their hand. Even Trump has been keeping his cards pretty close to his chest. He talks a good game, but I have seen little evidence of action one way or the other.
    What struck me with Smith's article is that he's placed a timeline on it. If he's proved wrong his considerable reputation will go up in smoke. We'll all know whether it will or not in less than seven weeks.

  12. #402

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    What struck me with Smith's article is that he's placed a timeline on it. If he's proved wrong his considerable reputation will go up in smoke. We'll all know whether it will or not in less than seven weeks.
    It's always good to be aware of opposing theories, even if the media try to push you in a single direction, and the further they are apart the better.

  13. #403

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    You simply can't make it a yes/no type of question, as there are too many players involved at all levels. I am not taking sides, just observing from a distance. All I know is there are people who are prepared to stop Brexit by any means, as there were people who were prepared to stop Trump. The difference is what has happened in the US is slowly being exposed, and we may yet get to see how long these tenticles are. Organ will have little trouble understanding the point I am trying to make, but I will admit it is fairly complex topic if you don't have a bit of background knowledge.
    It was a yes/no question - do you believe the Leave side broke the law? Even if you think there are extenuating circumstances, it's still a yes/no question. It's funny how you don't take sides then only highlight the anti-Trump and Remain campaigns yet when there's a question about the Leave you drop a smoke bomb.

  14. #404

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    Anyhow, fingers crossed that Italy (the fave to) or another of the 27 veto this Brexit delay proposal and Britain leave 15 days hence.

  15. #405

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    Anyhow, fingers crossed that Italy (the fave to) or another of the 27 veto this Brexit delay proposal and Britain leave 15 days hence.
    Indeed. Let's hope someone from the EU over-rides our Parliament.

  16. #406

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays View Post
    It was a yes/no question - do you believe the Leave side broke the law? Even if you think there are extenuating circumstances, it's still a yes/no question. It's funny how you don't take sides then only highlight the anti-Trump and Remain campaigns yet when there's a question about the Leave you drop a smoke bomb.
    The answer is I don't know and I am not going to guess. Have there been any convictions?

  17. #407

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays View Post
    Indeed. Let's hope someone from the EU over-rides our Parliament.
    Wait, is this a joke?

  18. #408

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Wait, is this a joke?
    Of course not. Surprised you're, as the Yanks say, behind the curve on the prospect of Blighty being forced out.

    Brexiters lobby for European veto of article 50 extension.

    Veto by a country such as Italy or Poland could lead to a no-deal Brexit this month. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e-50-extension

  19. #409

    Re: Brexit thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    Of course not. Surprised you're, as the Yanks say, behind the curve on the prospect of Blighty being forced out.

    Brexiters lobby for European veto of article 50 extension.

    Veto by a country such as Italy or Poland could lead to a no-deal Brexit this month. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e-50-extension
    Yeah, I know that, but does Bluebirdman want out on the 29th? I thought everybody on here wanted at least a 50 or 100 year extension to Article 50.

  20. #410

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    I was implying there was a certain irony that Leavers have been asking EU members to veto the extension.

  21. #411

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays View Post
    I was implying there was a certain irony that Leavers have been asking EU members to veto the extension.
    I didn't think it was that hard to understand what you meant

  22. #412

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays View Post
    I was implying there was a certain irony that Leavers have been asking EU members to veto the extension.
    I knew it!

  23. #413

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    You simply can't make it a yes/no type of question, as there are too many players involved at all levels. I am not taking sides, just observing from a distance. All I know is there are people who are prepared to stop Brexit by any means, as there were people who were prepared to stop Trump. The difference is what has happened in the US is slowly being exposed, and we may yet get to see how long these tenticles are. Organ will have little trouble understanding the point I am trying to make, but I will admit it is fairly complex topic if you don't have a bit of background knowledge.
    I don't have your "background knowledge", but I can certainly accept the notion that there are anti Trump and anti Brexit forces about that are out to stop them and in most cases I would guess money is the motivation behind their actions. However, even you have to accept that, for now at least, it is Trump who has staffers and associates that are being jailed and pleading guilty to or being charged with offences, mostly financial in nature, and it is the Leave campaign that has been fined for and is being investigated for electoral irregularities.

    I actually read all of that Brandon Smith article that Organ posted a link to and found it more plausible than I expected it to be - I've always had a feeling that the 2008 crash was still going on in many ways. However, despite your claims to be "on the fence" regarding the alternative theory outlined in Smith's article to the one you mostly post about, your actions over a period of years, show that you are anything but neutral on the subjects which interest you.

    You are completely one sided in what you post. Nothing wrong with that, most of us are much the same as you, but I've not come across many who claim to be a neutral observer of events in the manner you do, when it's as plain as the nose on your face that you are anything but that.

    Anyway, despite the fact that the pair of you sometimes appear to be kindred spirits on here, the truth is that for one of you to be right regarding, for example, Trump, the other one has to be spectacularly wrong. It's like Leave voters with Brexit saying that they all voted for the same thing - while the goal was the same, the methods by which they think we arrive at that goal tend to differ greatly.

  24. #414

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    I don't have your "background knowledge", but I can certainly accept the notion that there are anti Trump and anti Brexit forces about that are out to stop them and in most cases I would guess money is the motivation behind their actions. However, even you have to accept that, for now at least, it is Trump who has staffers and associates that are being jailed and pleading guilty to or being charged with offences, mostly financial in nature, and it is the Leave campaign that has been fined for and is being investigated for electoral irregularities.

    I actually read all of that Brandon Smith article that Organ posted a link to and found it more plausible than I expected it to be - I've always had a feeling that the 2008 crash was still going on in many ways. However, despite your claims to be "on the fence" regarding the alternative theory outlined in Smith's article to the one you mostly post about, your actions over a period of years, show that you are anything but neutral on the subjects which interest you.

    You are completely one sided in what you post. Nothing wrong with that, most of us are much the same as you, but I've not come across many who claim to be a neutral observer of events in the manner you do, when it's as plain as the nose on your face that you are anything but that.

    Anyway, despite the fact that the pair of you sometimes appear to be kindred spirits on here, the truth is that for one of you to be right regarding, for example, Trump, the other one has to be spectacularly wrong. It's like Leave voters with Brexit saying that they all voted for the same thing - while the goal was the same, the methods by which they think we arrive at that goal tend to differ greatly.
    Where Smith's article is hosted - http://www.alt-market.com/articles/3...gineered-crash - he joins the discussion thread beneath to expand somewhat.

    I've posted the following quote several times previously around here. Denis Healey wrote it in one of his books: 'World events do not occur by accident. They are made to happen, whether it is to do with national issues or commerce; and most of them are staged and managed by those who hold the purse strings'. I was going to post it unsourced as my own words in the New Zealand shootings thread on the other side hoping to draw in one or more of the Noddies who are banging on about conspiracy theories as a knee-jerk against anything they haven't been trained to believe before informing them of its origin and just who Healey really was. But decided not to as it wasn't the time or place.

    Smith did indeed predict Brexit and a Trump win. He also dismissed him as another Whitehouse globalist stooge who'd be installed to distract, divide, polarise and, most importantly, be the patsy for a calamitous economic meltdown.

  25. #415

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    I don't have your "background knowledge", but I can certainly accept the notion that there are anti Trump and anti Brexit forces about that are out to stop them and in most cases I would guess money is the motivation behind their actions. However, even you have to accept that, for now at least, it is Trump who has staffers and associates that are being jailed and pleading guilty to or being charged with offences, mostly financial in nature, and it is the Leave campaign that has been fined for and is being investigated for electoral irregularities.

    I actually read all of that Brandon Smith article that Organ posted a link to and found it more plausible than I expected it to be - I've always had a feeling that the 2008 crash was still going on in many ways. However, despite your claims to be "on the fence" regarding the alternative theory outlined in Smith's article to the one you mostly post about, your actions over a period of years, show that you are anything but neutral on the subjects which interest you.

    You are completely one sided in what you post. Nothing wrong with that, most of us are much the same as you, but I've not come across many who claim to be a neutral observer of events in the manner you do, when it's as plain as the nose on your face that you are anything but that.

    Anyway, despite the fact that the pair of you sometimes appear to be kindred spirits on here, the truth is that for one of you to be right regarding, for example, Trump, the other one has to be spectacularly wrong. It's like Leave voters with Brexit saying that they all voted for the same thing - while the goal was the same, the methods by which they think we arrive at that goal tend to differ greatly.
    It's not "my" background knowledge, it's anybody who has followed the anti-Trump investigations and realized that they may have been an organised hit job. It should also be noted that some of the people involved are from Britain.

    Regarding the convictions you mentioned, none of them had anything to do with Trump. Some of them were historical, as in the case of Manafort who incidentally had been previously investigated for these same crimes, which the DOJ had declined to prosecute. What changed?

    As to being one sided it was a relatively narrow subject, and I justed posted what I thought to be correct. There were plenty of people posting about the other side of the story.

    BTW Organ is not a kindred spirit our views differ considerably, but where we are similar is that we are both open minded, take opposing views into account, and impose no bounds on potential outcomes. Some people can't think past the reporting of their favourite news sources, which invariably leads to echo chamber opinions, and worse if those sources are wrong.

  26. #416

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    Anyway, all bets are off if Organ is on the money, and that is exactly why I have been sitting on the fence! I was simply commenting on events as they happened in real time, and not on the end-game which is an entirely different matter.

  27. #417

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    A pretty hard Brexit after a one year extension to Article 50
    If May's Brexit is a hard one , why are others calling it a soft Brexit ?? and why don't the ERG back it , if it's that hard , isn't that what they want ??

    My understanding it's a soft/safe Brexit ,with its details mainly drawn up by Europe not May ,to suit them ,not us , hence the opposition to her deal ??

  28. #418

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    It's not "my" background knowledge, it's anybody who has followed the anti-Trump investigations and realized that they may have been an organised hit job. It should also be noted that some of the people involved are from Britain.

    Regarding the convictions you mentioned, none of them had anything to do with Trump. Some of them were historical, as in the case of Manafort who incidentally had been previously investigated for these same crimes, which the DOJ had declined to prosecute. What changed?

    As to being one sided it was a relatively narrow subject, and I justed posted what I thought to be correct. There were plenty of people posting about the other side of the story.

    BTW Organ is not a kindred spirit our views differ considerably, but where we are similar is that we are both open minded, take opposing views into account, and impose no bounds on potential outcomes. Some people can't think past the reporting of their favourite news sources, which invariably leads to echo chamber opinions, and worse if those sources are wrong.
    I would also add people cannot see past their narrow political allegiances ,resulting in no compromise or criticism of those they follow, all parties have good and bad ideas and ideals ,its okay to become critical of something .

  29. #419

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    If May's Brexit is a hard one , why are others calling it a soft Brexit ?? and why don't the ERG back it , if it's that hard , isn't that what they want ??

    My understanding it's a soft/safe Brexit ,with its details mainly drawn up by Europe not May ,to suit them ,not us , hence the opposition to her deal ??
    I don't even know what to say, are you having me on? You have spent the last few months deriding anyone who doesn't want the withdrawal agreement to be voted through and you don't even know what it is.

  30. #420

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    I don't even know what to say, are you having me on? You have spent the last few months deriding anyone who doesn't want the withdrawal agreement to be voted through and you don't even know what it is.
    I no , it's crazy isn't it , her deal ain't hard , hard is crashing out.

    To all I have derided, I seek your humble forgiveness .🙄

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