Reply With QuoteThat's what extreme left and tight agenda's bring to the party, chaos and destruction, for thier own end.Originally Posted by trampie09
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The UK State is breaking up, the harder the Brexit the quicker the union will break up, its ironic that some leave voters are also committed unionists yet the upshot of leave winning is the union state might well break up as a result, you couldn't make it up could you.
That's what extreme left and tight agenda's bring to the party, chaos and destruction, for thier own end.
Brexit: 'Extra time' may be needed, says Jeremy Hunt
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47069433
Culminating in a penalty shootout at WembleyBrexit: 'Extra time' may be needed, says Jeremy Hunt
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47069433
lets hope Anthony Gerard doesn't take one
The UK is Governed by the right wing in the form of the Conservative and Unionist party supported by the Democratic Unionist Party, the largest party group in the EU is the European People's Party group is a right wing group and its been like that for some time, Junker belongs to them just like the previous leader, the chaos and destruction is being carried out by the right wing powers that be.
Leave.EU campaign fined 120,000z
Both main party front benches silent.
Leave means leave though despite the blatant law breaking.
And you think the left has no European agenda ??
Just look at our opposition leader voting and opinions , unfortunately they dont hold a balance of power as thier views are not agreeable to voters .
The left could still vote for the May vote ,with all its frailties, and save the day ,and steady the exit and do an internal deal with May for the components that helps its electorate and social groups.
Or is the delay the key component.
You cant have a statement like we will apply the will of the people, as long as it doesn't damage peoples lives ( that's a clever agenda knowing it cant be done)
An agenda or let's call it a game is up for Labour driven by the leaders scepticism on Europe.
Well sorry, those people actually voted for the pain , as part of the result ,they were not voting blindly ,they too had agendas.
Yeh Labour could l lead and man up and call for a second referendum , and over turn the alleged right wing agendas .
Get into power change the inner social workings of Europe from within .
Let's not pretend it's not one way political agenda's ,never has been or ever will be.
Ironically the Labour heartlands applied a form of right wing vote to leave (agenda) ,driven by ,eek yes, the right wing Boris Boris ( agenda's ) very ironic .
I'm still searching for the strong JC platform speeches, advising its voters not too leave in 2016, he could have joined remain groups , and lead from the front, as I'm sure the stay vote may have been delivered , however in my humble view the silence and indifference from the leadership, fueled the narrow leave supporters (agenda) and made up the undecided voters swing to leave .
Maybe that was the AGENDA??👍
Let's remember no country has left the EU, hardest task for any government in peace time to take on
I've been basically stuck in bed since home from work on Friday with a cold so obviously looking at stuff on the web to pass the time away, just listened to LBC esther mcvey, nothing stacks up, She s a Scouser, a leaver, a Tory but more to the point, she,s a bit of a babe
She’s the defitnion of. Hate shag. I truly detest everything she stands for but Christ she’s good looking!I've been basically stuck in bed since home from work on Friday with a cold so obviously looking at stuff on the web to pass the time away, just listened to LBC esther mcvey, nothing stacks up, She s a Scouser, a leaver, a Tory but more to the point, she,s a bit of a babe
It gets worse, like me she’s of strong Irish Catholic background .....
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Oh dear, a dilemma for a socialist Irish Scouser ,who may like a dominant laaaaaaady
The right control the EU and the UK Government and the press and media in Blighty.
The far left in this country are anti Europe and always have been.
So why would the Tory / Ukip right want to move away from a Europe they control then ?
Because they are little Ingurlanders who yearn for the old Empire.
854,572 (52.5%) voters in Wales chose to leave the EU ?
Immigration, Wales is overrun with white flight immigration from the other side of the Dyke, there is next to no independent media in Wales and the poor had no choice but to vote against the status quo.
I'm not sure which white flight immigration , or other side of the Dyke, you are referring too,but deeper in the Welsh valleys I think ,there is some very deep routed anti Europe feeling ,and you do them a disservice by suggesting they are following some ""little Ingurlanders " who yearn for some old sort of Empire .
I would agree that does exist in some part of the poorer parts of England , you probably know that anyway .
You are not sure because the Brit Nat media in Wales rarely points out that Wales is getting overrun with white flight Ingerlanders from the other side of the bridge, this fact skews the voting figures for Wales.
The so called white flight, live in the posher border rural areas areas like Chepstow ,Monmouth ,Usk , and some parts of Cardiff , 854,572 is a lot of folk to be listening to those small percentage of stuffy English pockets , in fact those more affluent areas voted to stay , not try and convince the poor to leave ?? the link below may help
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...s-map-11510374
Ebbw Vale had a huge lift up from Europe ,dont think Ingerlanders decided anything for them ,or live anywhere near them or talk to them .
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...-town-15767233
The middle classes voted to remain, the poor voted to leave and the upper classes voted to leave.
The overall vote in Wales might well have been skewed by white flight immigrants which is extremely unfortunate for Wales [and possibly for Scotland and Northern Ireland], otherwise the union state would be in the process of being smashed as we speak, now it might happen in the medium term particularly for Scotland and Northern Ireland as regards Wales there might well be too many white flighters from over the border that skew votes for Wales, the role of the white flight God Save the Queen types in Wales might have proved to be decisive in recent elections as well as future elections.
Some interesting stats on who voted for what:
www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2016-eu-referendum
Hardly a representative survey, but there are two blokes up here in Tynewydd who are English that I've spoken to that voted Leave and the locals say that there are a fair number of people from over the border who live in the area - certainly more than would have done previously.
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