Nah as a Labour voter she got what she deserved. No sympathy from me, three points and a hundred pound fine and the silly bitch dies that???Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
Na, they are still sulking over their jailed MPcan you hear the silence ?
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Nah as a Labour voter she got what she deserved. No sympathy from me, three points and a hundred pound fine and the silly bitch dies that???Na, they are still sulking over their jailed MP
Agreed, you try to defend your side against what you consider to be unfair criticism, but what she did is on another level to party politics and she proved herself to be unfit for the job while also offering a justification for the way many feel about modern day MPs.
As for Theresa May's "triumph", surely, given their deep divisions over Brexit, it's just yet another case of Conservatives putting the need of the party over the need of the country? It may work, but it seems typically arrogant that they, and the group from Northern Ireland who are going against the way their country voted, appear to believe that a vote against the backstop means that all of the previous problems have, somehow, disappeared.
Certain irony by right wing Brexiter supporters when it comes to big business.
When they want to curb union power, restrict workers pay rises, working conditions and such forth they’re seen as champions of industry and experts.
Yet when big businesses question the Brexit proposals and counter with the problems of a no deal Brexit they’re roundly shouted down with cries of ‘fake news’
Strange days indeed as John Lennon sang.
It's the carrot and the stick though isn't it. Reading that BBC report above they immediately brought the stick into view. Expect a month of project fear until the fix is in, which will be a slightly improved deal that won't be a clean break. I am predicting that there will be a backdoor mechanism in place, that allows us to rejoin the EU at some point in the future. So the choice is now between a hard Brexit or May's new deal.
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[I]The EU is "united" over the negotiated Brexit deal, the bloc's chief negotiator Michel Barnier says, after the UK PM said she wants to reopen it.
Theresa May is expected to continue talks with the EU after MPs backed a plan to renegotiate her Brexit deal.
MPs voted 317 to 301 in favour of changing the backstop plan - the bit of the deal designed to avoid the return of Northern Ireland border checks.
But Mr Barnier said the EU stood by the existing withdrawal agreement.
"The EU institutions remain united and we stand by the agreement we have negotiated with the UK," he said.
Meanwhile, employers' group the CBI said businesses were likely to accelerate their plans for a no-deal Brexit.
Carolyn Fairbairn, head of the CBI, said: "I don't think there will be a single business this morning who is stopping or halting their no-deal planning as a result of what happened yesterday.
"The amendment feels like a real throw of the dice."
The UK State is breaking up, the harder the Brexit the quicker the union will break up, its ironic that some leave voters are also committed unionists yet the upshot of leave winning is the union state might well break up as a result, you couldn't make it up could you.
That's what extreme left and tight agenda's bring to the party, chaos and destruction, for thier own end.
The UK is Governed by the right wing in the form of the Conservative and Unionist party supported by the Democratic Unionist Party, the largest party group in the EU is the European People's Party group is a right wing group and its been like that for some time, Junker belongs to them just like the previous leader, the chaos and destruction is being carried out by the right wing powers that be.
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lets hope Anthony Gerard doesn't take one
Leave.EU campaign fined 120,000z
Both main party front benches silent.
Leave means leave though despite the blatant law breaking.
And you think the left has no European agenda ??
Just look at our opposition leader voting and opinions , unfortunately they dont hold a balance of power as thier views are not agreeable to voters .
The left could still vote for the May vote ,with all its frailties, and save the day ,and steady the exit and do an internal deal with May for the components that helps its electorate and social groups.
Or is the delay the key component.
You cant have a statement like we will apply the will of the people, as long as it doesn't damage peoples lives ( that's a clever agenda knowing it cant be done)
An agenda or let's call it a game is up for Labour driven by the leaders scepticism on Europe.
Well sorry, those people actually voted for the pain , as part of the result ,they were not voting blindly ,they too had agendas.
Yeh Labour could l lead and man up and call for a second referendum , and over turn the alleged right wing agendas .
Get into power change the inner social workings of Europe from within .
Let's not pretend it's not one way political agenda's ,never has been or ever will be.
Ironically the Labour heartlands applied a form of right wing vote to leave (agenda) ,driven by ,eek yes, the right wing Boris Boris ( agenda's ) very ironic .
I'm still searching for the strong JC platform speeches, advising its voters not too leave in 2016, he could have joined remain groups , and lead from the front, as I'm sure the stay vote may have been delivered , however in my humble view the silence and indifference from the leadership, fueled the narrow leave supporters (agenda) and made up the undecided voters swing to leave .
Maybe that was the AGENDA??👍
Let's remember no country has left the EU, hardest task for any government in peace time to take on
I've been basically stuck in bed since home from work on Friday with a cold so obviously looking at stuff on the web to pass the time away, just listened to LBC esther mcvey, nothing stacks up, She s a Scouser, a leaver, a Tory but more to the point, she,s a bit of a babe
The right control the EU and the UK Government and the press and media in Blighty.
The far left in this country are anti Europe and always have been.
She’s the defitnion of. Hate shag. I truly detest everything she stands for but Christ she’s good looking!I've been basically stuck in bed since home from work on Friday with a cold so obviously looking at stuff on the web to pass the time away, just listened to LBC esther mcvey, nothing stacks up, She s a Scouser, a leaver, a Tory but more to the point, she,s a bit of a babe
It gets worse, like me she’s of strong Irish Catholic background .....
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Oh dear, a dilemma for a socialist Irish Scouser ,who may like a dominant laaaaaaady
So why would the Tory / Ukip right want to move away from a Europe they control then ?
Because they are little Ingurlanders who yearn for the old Empire.
854,572 (52.5%) voters in Wales chose to leave the EU ?
Immigration, Wales is overrun with white flight immigration from the other side of the Dyke, there is next to no independent media in Wales and the poor had no choice but to vote against the status quo.
I'm not sure which white flight immigration , or other side of the Dyke, you are referring too,but deeper in the Welsh valleys I think ,there is some very deep routed anti Europe feeling ,and you do them a disservice by suggesting they are following some ""little Ingurlanders " who yearn for some old sort of Empire .
I would agree that does exist in some part of the poorer parts of England , you probably know that anyway .
You are not sure because the Brit Nat media in Wales rarely points out that Wales is getting overrun with white flight Ingerlanders from the other side of the bridge, this fact skews the voting figures for Wales.
The so called white flight, live in the posher border rural areas areas like Chepstow ,Monmouth ,Usk , and some parts of Cardiff , 854,572 is a lot of folk to be listening to those small percentage of stuffy English pockets , in fact those more affluent areas voted to stay , not try and convince the poor to leave ?? the link below may help
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...s-map-11510374
The middle classes voted to remain, the poor voted to leave and the upper classes voted to leave.
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