Brexit thread

[trampie09]

The overall vote in Wales might well have been skewed by white flight immigrants which is extremely unfortunate for Wales [and possibly for Scotland and Northern Ireland], otherwise the union state would be in the process of being smashed as we speak, now it might happen in the medium term particularly for Scotland and Northern Ireland as regards Wales there might well be too many white flighters from over the border that skew votes for Wales, the role of the white flight God Save the Queen types in Wales might have proved to be decisive in recent elections as well as future elections.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Some interesting stats on who voted for what:

www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/how-britain-voted-2016-eu-referendum

[life on mars]

You are not sure because the Brit Nat media in Wales rarely points out that Wales is getting overrun with white flight Ingerlanders from the other side of the bridge, this fact skews the voting figures for Wales.

Ebbw Vale had a huge lift up from Europe ,dont think Ingerlanders decided anything for them ,or live anywhere near them or talk to them .

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...-town-15767233

[the other bob wilson]

Hardly a representative survey, but there are two blokes up here in Tynewydd who are English that I've spoken to that voted Leave and the locals say that there are a fair number of people from over the border who live in the area - certainly more than would have done previously.

[Heathblue]

Obviously so much in the news, been having a rethink about this, I’ve kind of always maintained that the original vote should prevail and that if the vote wasn’t carried out, then democracy had ended, over the past few days I have had a change of mind regarding a 2nd vote, I’d still not vote and just accept whatever the result. Anyway, the 1st thing IMO is that an extension should be requested from the EU say 6 months minimum.

Month 1, three groups set-up 1 for, 1 against, 1 arbitrary.

Month 2, each group to set out their argument but bland statements e.g. it will cost1,000’s of jobs, 30 billion to NHS etc. etc. unless with documented and legal evidence not permitted.

Month 3, each group to set-out their rebuttal, again no bland statements without documented and legal back-up.

Month 4, each argument posted by the arbiter on a government web-site for the people the read and evaluate. Also a form for general public to request a seat at a live TV debate. A question time type of thing but not hosted by BBC or ITV.

Month 5, live TV debate hosted by the arbiter.

Month 6, (early month) election, (late month) and based on results, and with no ifs or buts inform EU of remain or leave.

Because of the demonization of those who have never seen any rewards of the EU, and lets not pretend that people don’t think of the dosh wallop, I still think that there would not be any change of result, too many people have been branded with an ist of one sort or another by some who have done fine and dandy within the EU.

It’s been lies from both sides from the off, after two years of almost nothing else in the British news I tend to think that the people will have taken more of an interest in what is a pretty important direction to take, if remain take it this time, then of course the country will be more divided that it is currently, the remain campaign fked this up royally by going toe to toe with lies and focussing on the leaver lies, if their campaign just totally focussed on the positives of the EU I think they would have taken the vote with plenty to spare. If nothing changes and the UK leaves there may well be a bit of civil unrest, the best deal I can think of is Robbie Box's
Big Deal. Whatever happens on March 29th I’ll be in Australia having a drop of the Amber Nectar. with a few weeks left of a two year process, the current government has excelled in incompetence, but i suspect it was planned this way for the outcome that is being pursued.

[CardiffIrish2]

He’s right too, looking forward to the outraged right wing press spin on this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47143135

[lardy]

He’s right too, looking forward to the outraged right wing press spin on this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47143135

Maybe Farage could have proved him wrong by suggesting a plan instead of crying into his pint but he won't because what Tusk said is essentially true.

Although they have all made a plan for their own money and future.

[CardiffIrish2]

Maybe Farage could have proved him wrong by suggesting a plan instead of crying into his pint but he won't because what Tusk said is essentially true.

Although they have all made a plan for their own money and future.

It’s my point all along. Bullshit rhetoric and soundbites but no ****ing logic or plan.

I was reading on the Twitter page of Dr Rachel Clarke who pointed out a few of Farage’s lies a few month back. She was talking about a woman who’s scared of a no deal Brexit due to the medication she’s on and the anxiety and fear it’s causing her.

Imagine going through that and for what exactly is going to be this sunlit uplands.

So **** them each and everyone of those bullshitters like Rees Mogg, Farage, Johnson Davis etc

[life on mars]

Some positive no deal Brexit news ::

'"Wetherspoon's boss pledges to cut beer prices if we crash out .""

The man is a god.

[CardiffIrish2]

Some positive no deal Brexit news ::

'"Wetherspoon's boss pledges to cut beer prices if we crash out .""

The man is a god.

You couldn’t pay me to enter one of those shit holes

[life on mars]

You couldn’t pay me to enter one of those shit holes

You'd be suprised how many socialist , do enter thy kingdom of the right wing prophet

[CardiffIrish2]

You'd be suprised how many socialist , do enter thy kingdom of the right wing prophet

Well they can have shite beer in dank premises all they like.

Never liked them, on hearing the views of that scruffy bullshitter who owns them gives me a double incentive to avoid them

[life on mars]

Well they can have shite beer in dank premises all they like.

Never liked them, on hearing the views of that scruffy bullshitter who owns them gives me a double incentive to avoid them

Trouble is he sells shipyard beer at 2.99 , its ten dollars in New York City , 5 quid in other Uk posh end pubs, all run, probably by another evil capitalist pig ,so I find it like a therapy retail moment ,knowing I'm saving bucks, via a cheaper evil type of capitalist pig , its that or drink meths from B&Q ,which thinking on ,is probaly run by another right wing evil plotter.

I think it's time to leave .

[Heathblue]

Trouble is he sells shipyard beer at 2.99 , its ten dollars in New York City , 5 quid in other Uk posh end pubs, all run, probably by another evil capitalist pig ,so I find it like a therapy retail moment ,knowing I'm saving bucks, via a cheaper evil type of capitalist pig , its that or drink meths from B&Q ,which thinking on ,is probaly run by another right wing evil plotter.

I think it's time to leave .

He's got the cities pretty well boxed off, I do try not to go into the spoons joints but sometimes when your busting for a piss, easy joints to mingle without it being obvious you just want to piss against his wall. being medium to large places easy for a meet etc. and a cheap bit of egg n chips.

[life on mars]

He's got the cities pretty well boxed off, I do try not to go into the spoons joints but sometimes when your busting for a piss, easy joints to mingle without it being obvious you just want to piss against his wall. being medium to large places easy for a meet etc. and a cheap bit of egg n chips.

To be fair the choices of specialty spirits is very impressive and so much cheaper , I know in westgate street you can get get hit for £9 quid for a high end double gin and tonic , and two doors down In the Gatekeeper get the same for £3.40 , equally you can buy a pint of Spanish lager for £5.40 and pay half that price in the Gatekeeper ,for all his obnoxiousness, is he not helping the poor and disadvantage

[CardiffIrish2]

To be fair the choices of specialty spirits is very impressive and so much cheaper , I know in westgate street you can get get hit for £9 quid for a high end double gin and tonic , and two doors down In the Gatekeeper get the same for £3.40 , equally you can buy a pint of Spanish lager for £5.40 and pay half that price in the Gatekeeper ,for all his obnoxiousness, is he not helping the poor and disadvantage

Yes after all the thing the poor and disadvantaged need most is cheaper booze in seedy hang outs.

[life on mars]

Yes after all the thing the poor and disadvantaged need most is cheaper booze in seedy hang outs.

We've gotta go somewhere, as they won't let is in posh joints , because who we are .

In Wetherspoon's you dont get judged , it's a safe crouch for the vulnerable , elderly and lonely, who feel they cannot just walk into a wine bar or posh theme pub , with handfuls of shopping nags , and yer wet wellies on ,just looking for cheap cup of tea , egg and chips , and a wee .

I think you do Wetherspoon's a disservice, there are some in society that are very lonely or elderly , who find thier pubs as a safe comfatable haven .

[surge]

5 Sundays to go and I'm still not sure what the Conservative party wants Brexit to be, what "group" in Westminster holds the majority or just how much legislation needs to be passed before any Brexit deal passes through. We were so ignorant about what Brexit would mean when referendum was proposed, when it started, when result became known, when Article 50 was voted through - surely the only answer is to give us more time?

[life on mars]

5 Sundays to go and I'm still not sure what the Conservative party wants Brexit to be, what "group" in Westminster holds the majority or just how much legislation needs to be passed before any Brexit deal passes through. We were so ignorant about what Brexit would mean when referendum was proposed, when it started, when result became known, when Article 50 was voted through - surely the only answer is to give us more time?

Do you think the other parties know what they want?
It seems not one consensus exists, in the UK or parliament ,its not just the Conservatives lacking a policy.

Or this is the biggest bluff or poker game .

[jamieccfc]

Can anyone honestly tell me they could trust any of these **** wits to come up with decent leave terms I'm afraid this government is going to put us back years

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Can anyone honestly tell me they could trust any of these **** wits to come up with decent leave terms I'm afraid this government is going to put us back years

What do you perceive as the dominant voice of the electorate regarding this matter as things stand?

[CardiffIrish2]

Do you think the other parties know what they want?
It seems not one consensus exists, in the UK or parliament ,its not just the Conservatives lacking a policy.

Or this is the biggest bluff or poker game .

The other parties aren’t the government, the other parties didn’t propose the referendum.

I know you like to share the blame and exonerate the Tories but it’s overwhelmingly largely on them.

[life on mars]

The other parties aren’t the government, the other parties didn’t propose the referendum.

I know you like to share the blame and exonerate the Tories but it’s overwhelmingly largely on them.

I dislike the Tories along with the best of them.

Brexit is supposed to be non political , sitting on ones hands is not an option in these times , d I think the other control mechanism should be relaxed on this issue , and instead of playing political football, and realise that its also about the people wishes that the opposition is supposed to represent as well as hating the Tories .


If The Tories are responsible for all this then 17.5 million agree with them as that was the out vote ,they only had 13,667,213 in the election so one might say an election would be a best fit .

Strangely May's deal is a very soft remain Brexit agreed by Europe , so why not support it ,I'm guess i a lot of Labour would like too , ah maybe not as that would cost us in the next Election and defy the whip , its not just about one parties failures, and never has been ,I guess you know that anyway ??

[lardy]

I dislike the Tories along with the best of them.

Brexit is supposed to be non political , sitting on ones hands is not an option in these times , d I think the other control mechanism should be relaxed on this issue , and instead of playing political football, and realise that its also about the people wishes that the opposition is supposed to represent as well as hating the Tories .


If The Tories are responsible for all this then 17.5 million agree with them as that was the out vote ,they only had 13,667,213 in the election so one might say an election would be a best fit .

Strangely May's deal is a very soft remain Brexit agreed by Europe , so why not support it ,I'm guess i a lot of Labour would like too , ah maybe not as that would cost us in the next Election and defy the whip , its not just about one parties failures, and never has been ,I guess you know that anyway ??

When you say non political, do you mean non partisan?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Strangely May's deal is a very soft remain Brexit agreed by Europe , so why not support it

When I last looked, the Conservatives and DUP form a narrow working majority in the house. If they could only agree on what Brexit they want, Brexit would be a done deal.

The Conservatives don't back May's deal. Tomorrow, the Conservatives won't back no-deal. On Thursday there'll be enough of them to vote for an extension. All because nobody knows what 'leave' actually means, other than leave.

I know there are leave voters who want a deal and leave voters who don't want a deal. They both vote leave but don't often want each other's Brexit scenarios. What's the solution?