Brexit thread

[Des Parrot]

When I last looked, the Conservatives and DUP form a narrow working majority in the house. If they could only agree on what Brexit they want, Brexit would be a done deal.

The Conservatives don't back May's deal. Tomorrow, the Conservatives won't back no-deal. On Thursday there'll be enough of them to vote for an extension. All because nobody knows what 'leave' actually means, other than leave.

I know there are leave voters who want a deal and leave voters who don't want a deal. They both vote leave but don't often want each other's Brexit scenarios. What's the solution?

It doesn't matter, it's too late, the lemmings are jumping off the cliff at the moment. I'm currently in Munich working on a post-Brexit deal & it's a total lost cause. The customers have made their decision, all future product must be made in the EU. If we want to continue supplying them we must move.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

It doesn't matter, it's too late, the lemmings are jumping off the cliff at the moment. I'm currently in Munich working on a post-Brexit deal & it's a total lost cause. The customers have made their decision, all future product must be made in the EU. If we want to continue supplying them we must move.

It's a complete and utter mess.

[the other bob wilson]

A small number of Labour MPs are set to announce their departure from the party at a press conference to begin shortly citing Jeremy Corbyn's stance on Brexit and anti Semitism as the reasons.

[life on mars]

A small number of Labour MPs are set to announce their departure from the party at a press conference to begin shortly citing Jeremy Corbyn's stance on Brexit and anti Semitism as the reasons.

Didn't see that coming .

I should imagine there's a lot of cheering going on in both parties.

[CardiffIrish2]

Looking forward to latest excuse why this has nothing to do with Brexit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47282603

[Des Parrot]

Looking forward to latest excuse why this has nothing to do with Brexit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47282603

I'm currently subject to insider trading restrictions (& have been since July '18).

Once those restrictions are lifted (sometime in May or June), I'm going to vent my frustration and comments on some of the things I've been party to.

[CardiffIrish2]

I'm currently subject to insider trading restrictions (& have been since July '18).

Once those restrictions are lifted (sometime in May or June), I'm going to vent my frustration and comments on some of the things I've been party to.

Looking forward to it Des. Was it your company that was being massively affected by Brexit? Hope things have managed to consolidate themselves

[Des Parrot]

Was it your company that was being massively affected by Brexit? Hope things have managed to consolidate themselves

Was it your company that was being massively affected by Brexit? - Yes

Hope things have managed to consolidate themselves - No

& tomorrows Honda "shock" announcement (at least 5 months in the making) will just compound that.

I need to zip it there!

[life on mars]

When you say non political, do you mean non partisan?

Its the same meaning .

[lardy]

Its the same meaning .

It's not. Brexit is most certainly political. But I agree with you that it should be non partisan.

[life on mars]

Two big towns Swindon / Sunderland vote to leave .
Both had big car plants and were warned by the car giants no to vote leave as it may risk job loss.
Neither town has a high percentage far right wing UKIP voters .

I suspect car jobs losses may have happened anyway as the car industry is changing quickly, diesel car made at both plants will drop in sales as hybrid solution rises,perhaps is one of those convenient times to bury bad news and blame something else for its inevitable decision .

It maybe the Japanese economy, as it contracts their companies are slashing spending , and what goes first , is usually your foreign investments , to protect your own GDP.

[Des Parrot]

car industry is changing quickly, diesel car made at both plants .

Honda make less than 60 diesels per day in Swindon. No factor in the decision.

The UK built 5-door Civic is unique for the Western EU / UK markets. The Global Civic (Japan, China, Thai, Brazil, Canada) is predominantly a common design. By avoiding UK manufactured / styled cars Honda have saved a huge amount in avoiding D&D / Tooling costs, for a relatively low market share (in Europe).

The new Civic is one of 7 vehicles based on their new platform. The Swindon volumes are minuscule in the overall global volume case but the D&D cost was disproportionately high.

For anyone that calls this a shock, the contracts for the Civic21 replacement vehicle were due to be placed with the TierN suppliers in October'18. They have given excuse after excuse why the contracts were 5 months overdue.

For what it's worth I have been working on this vehicle (amongst many others) since March'17, so there's nearly 2 years work gone into the project before Honda have pulled the plug. I've now got to work out how to get recompense for that!

[CardiffIrish2]

Two big towns Swindon / Sunderland vote to leave .
Both had big car plants and were warned by the car giants no to vote leave as it may risk job loss.
Neither town has a high percentage far right wing UKIP voters .

I suspect car jobs losses may have happened anyway as the car industry is changing quickly, diesel car made at both plants will drop in sales as hybrid solution rises,perhaps is one of those convenient times to bury bad news and blame something else for its inevitable decision .

It maybe the Japanese economy, as it contracts their companies are slashing spending , and what goes first , is usually your foreign investments , to protect your own GDP.

Or the uncontinued uncertainty of the fact that 44 days from us leaving the EU we still haven’t sorted a deal out might just have been the tipping point.

It’s not just a coincidence that Honda as well as other manufacturers are reconsidering their options.

I’ve asked this before but is Brexit really worth it???

Bullshit based on almost treacherous lies.....

[Taunton Blue Genie]

The EU and Japan's Economic Partnership Agreement that came into force at the beginning of this month is also considered to be a contributing factor of Honda pulling out of Swindon.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Or the uncontinued uncertainty of the fact that 44 days from us leaving the EU we still haven’t sorted a deal out might just have been the tipping point.

It’s not just a coincidence that Honda as well as other manufacturers are reconsidering their options.

I’ve asked this before but is Brexit really worth it???

Bullshit based on almost treacherous lies.....

I have always respected the Brexit viewpoint when it has involved certain principles, including the fact that Remainers will see the UK eventually being drawn deeper into the EU regarding matters that weren't invisaged when we first joined and even about erosion of some of our rights and resources. However, I am not aware of a single soul who was aware of the unravelling consequences of leaving the EU and I suspect that many of the people who voted for Brexit using just anecdotal, jingoistic and facile arguments (as can be witnessed at every turn) do not sufficiently access news sources that may disavow them of some of their beliefs as they become evident. It's all well and good uttering optimistic noises about being a great country (a la MAGA) whilst foreign companies wishing to freely access the EU decide to decamp from the UK. I have always thought that the EU as it stands is a model due to fail in the long term but our current course seems incredibly self-destructive, chaotic, destabilising, highly regrettable and very depressing - ands we are yet to experience the real effects.

[the other bob wilson]

I have always respected the Brexit viewpoint when it has involved certain principles, including the fact that Remainers will see the UK eventually being drawn deeper into the EU regarding matters that weren't invisaged when we first joined and even about erosion of some of our rights and resources. However, I am not aware of a single soul who was aware of the unravelling consequences of leaving the EU and I suspect that many of the people who voted for Brexit using just anecdotal, jingoistic and facile arguments (as can be witnessed at every turn) do not sufficiently access news sources that may disavow them of some of their beliefs as they become evident. It's all well and good uttering optimistic noises about being a great country (a la MAGA) whilst foreign companies wishing to freely access the EU decide to decamp from the UK. I have always thought that the EU as it stands is a model due to fail in the long term but our current course seems incredibly self-destructive, chaotic, destabilising, highly regrettable and very depressing - ands we are yet to experience the real effects.

Well said.

[Wales-Bales]

I have always respected the Brexit viewpoint when it has involved certain principles, including the fact that Remainers will see the UK eventually being drawn deeper into the EU regarding matters that weren't invisaged when we first joined and even about erosion of some of our rights and resources. However, I am not aware of a single soul who was aware of the unravelling consequences of leaving the EU and I suspect that many of the people who voted for Brexit using just anecdotal, jingoistic and facile arguments (as can be witnessed at every turn) do not sufficiently access news sources that may disavow them of some of their beliefs as they become evident. It's all well and good uttering optimistic noises about being a great country (a la MAGA) whilst foreign companies wishing to freely access the EU decide to decamp from the UK. I have always thought that the EU as it stands is a model due to fail in the long term but our current course seems incredibly self-destructive, chaotic, destabilising, highly regrettable and very depressing - ands we are yet to experience the real effects.

The US is in the process of renegotiating every trade deal they are in, and their economic and employment figures keep improving. They are rebalancing their economy in favour of American workers. Yet any talk of Britain doing it is met with doom & gloom, even though the global economic climate is changing.

[CardiffIrish2]

Honda make less than 60 diesels per day in Swindon. No factor in the decision.

The UK built 5-door Civic is unique for the Western EU / UK markets. The Global Civic (Japan, China, Thai, Brazil, Canada) is predominantly a common design. By avoiding UK manufactured / styled cars Honda have saved a huge amount in avoiding D&D / Tooling costs, for a relatively low market share (in Europe).

The new Civic is one of 7 vehicles based on their new platform. The Swindon volumes are minuscule in the overall global volume case but the D&D cost was disproportionately high.

For anyone that calls this a shock, the contracts for the Civic21 replacement vehicle were due to be placed with the TierN suppliers in October'18. They have given excuse after excuse why the contracts were 5 months overdue.

For what it's worth I have been working on this vehicle (amongst many others) since March'17, so there's nearly 2 years work gone into the project before Honda have pulled the plug. I've now got to work out how to get recompense for that!

Jesus.....
So sorry about that mate.

[the other bob wilson]

Jesus.....
So sorry about that mate.

Seconded.

[life on mars]

Honda make less than 60 diesels per day in Swindon. No factor in the decision.

The UK built 5-door Civic is unique for the Western EU / UK markets. The Global Civic (Japan, China, Thai, Brazil, Canada) is predominantly a common design. By avoiding UK manufactured / styled cars Honda have saved a huge amount in avoiding D&D / Tooling costs, for a relatively low market share (in Europe).

The new Civic is one of 7 vehicles based on their new platform. The Swindon volumes are minuscule in the overall global volume case but the D&D cost was disproportionately high.

For anyone that calls this a shock, the contracts for the Civic21 replacement vehicle were due to be placed with the TierN suppliers in October'18. They have given excuse after excuse why the contracts were 5 months overdue.

For what it's worth I have been working on this vehicle (amongst many others) since March'17, so there's nearly 2 years work gone into the project before Honda have pulled the plug. I've now got to work out how to get recompense for that!

It does seem ,something big is changing in the automotive industry ,would you say this is less to do with Brexit , and more to do with the industry changing and countries bringing jobs home , with this Brexit window being an opportunity to announce it now. rather than later ?

[Des Parrot]

It does seem ,something big is changing in the automotive industry ,would you say this is less to do with Brexit , and more to do with the industry changing and countries bringing jobs home , with this Brexit window being an opportunity to announce it now. rather than later ?

I can't say too much because of the insider trading restrictions. In short it depends on the nationality of the customers. For Japanese companies it's tariff related, more their own than Brexit. For German & French companies it's 100% Brexit & without remorse. For JLR it's diesel. In all cases, they all have to generate funds towards electrification development. They're all running scared & there are some big players at huge risk. Watch FormulaE for the development of the big players, especially the emergence of the battery companies.

It's certainly not wholly down to Brexit but in many cases it's given the excuse many of these companies were looking for.

[lardy]

I wish more people who say "I voted for No Deal, let's just get on with it" would read Des's posts.

I notice that many on here gloss over them. He is describing real devestating impacts and brexit hasn't even begin yet.

[life on mars]

I can't say too much because of the insider trading restrictions. In short it depends on the nationality of the customers. For Japanese companies it's tariff related, more their own than Brexit. For German & French companies it's 100% Brexit & without remorse. For JLR it's diesel. In all cases, they all have to generate funds towards electrification development. They're all running scared & there are some big players at huge risk. Watch FormulaE for the development of the big players, especially the emergence of the battery companies.

It's certainly not wholly down to Brexit but in many cases it's given the excuse many of these companies were looking for.

Thanks Des I do hope it works out okay for you in the end .

What a mess from both sides if the house .

[life on mars]

I'm in the house, and can reveal from within the corridors of power , something is breaking through , go TM go .

[Taunton Blue Genie]

I'm in the house, and can reveal from within the corridors of power , something is breaking through , go TM go .

In da house?