Brexit thread

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Energy and water.

Do you have any access to meaningful data to back up your assertion that an independent Wales would be more (and which includes both the benefits and disbenefits of independence)? I am open to persuasion if that were the case.
However, what we have learned during the Brexit farrago most people understand diddly squat about economics but merely reproduce slogans passed down to them.
Happy to be educated by detailed reason and good evidence if you care to indulge me.

[trampie09]

It is known that Wales is a net exporter of electricity and water and that England is running out of water [run out in 2044 was a recent story in the press] and also they have to import electricity from time to time from the continent, as regards detailed data just like Brexit there is no individual detailed breakdown of Welsh only figures although its known that Wales is a net beneficiary from the EU there is no detailed Welsh only EU figures.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

It is known that Wales is a net exporter of electricity and water and that England is running out of water [run out in 2044 was a recent story in the press] and also they have to import electricity from time to time from the continent, as regards detailed data just like Brexit there is no individual detailed breakdown of Welsh only figures although its known that Wales is a net beneficiary from the EU there is no detailed Welsh only EU figures.

Just anecdotal stuff then regarding a two components of the big picture rather than a comprehensive analysis we would need to make a sound judgement regarding such an important matter which would have incredibly profound ramifications.
And we know from Brexit how people make decisions based on sentiment and ignorance and without have the foggiest idea of the possible consequences.
Apologies to those on both sides of the Brexit vote who had sound reasons and a good understanding for the informed choices they made. However, I think that they were very much in the minority and most of us, me included, were less than qualified to cast a vote on the matter.

Your response has been filed in the 'Superficial Fluff' cabinet for now.

[trampie09]

Just anecdotal stuff then regarding a two components of the big picture rather than a comprehensive analysis we would need to make a sound judgement regarding such an important matter which would have incredibly profound ramifications.
And we know from Brexit how people make decisions based on sentiment and ignorance and without have the foggiest idea of the possible consequences.
Apologies to those on both sides of the Brexit vote who had sound reasons and a good understanding for the informed choices they made. However, I think that they were very much in the minority and most of us, me included, were less than qualified to cast a vote on the matter.

Your response has been filed in the 'Superficial Fluff' cabinet for now.

Just like your opinions on Brexit then.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Just like your opinions on Brexit then.

Indeed. I clearly stated that I didn't think that I knew enough to vote on changing the status quo.

[trampie09]

Indeed. I clearly stated that I didn't think that I knew enough to vote on changing the status quo.

Did you vote then ?

[Heathblue]

Wales received more per head than the majority of regions in the UK, Wales should have been an easy remain region, however, the labour government spunked it away on fantasy projects and ignored their base for 30 years, 3 generations of some north of Cardiff have known nothing since the Tories shut the mines and paid for it at the vote at which the local electorate gave Welsh politicians a big fat f*ck you. A new viaduct in aber nowhere means jack sh*t to a working person with no prospects. Under Thatcher this country (UK wide) was not so divided as it is now IMO, the country is just reflective of the shit state of current politics and that's exactly what is wanted by the elites, together people are strong, divided they are weak, I don't think it's by accident we have an extreme right and a loonatic left, we always seem to follow Merica.

[trampie09]

1,017,380 signatures and counting now on the Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU petition.

[Wales-Bales]

1,017,380 signatures and counting now on the Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU petition.

Is there anything worse than witnessing a bunch of sore losers who can't accept an outcome?

[life on mars]

Are you confident that the prosperity of Wales will improve if the fanciful notion of independence was ever voted for by a majority in Wales? What goods and services would be exported? Is there anything other than patriotic fervour and anti-English sentiment to put some meat on the bone here?

Indeed we ain't Scotland , who have big exports, we only have government service jobs , Cottage Holidays, A big Stadium , Hill Walking , social revolution stuff.

[Organ Morgan.]

Have we hit peak scaremongering Brexit bullshit today?

Brexit: Armed forces set up team in nuclear bunker to prepare for no deal outcome

Samuel Osborne @SamuelOsborne93
2 hours ago

Britain’s military has set up a team in a nuclear bunker beneath the Ministry of Defence (MoD) to prepare for a no-deal Brexit.

Some 3,500 troops were being held “at readiness” to aid in contingency plans if the UK leaves the European Union (EU) without an agreement in place, a spokesperson said.

More: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8834346.html

[life on mars]

Have we hit peak scaremongering Brexit bullshit today?

Brexit: Armed forces set up team in nuclear bunker to prepare for no deal outcome

Samuel Osborne @SamuelOsborne93
2 hours ago

Britain’s military has set up a team in a nuclear bunker beneath the Ministry of Defence (MoD) to prepare for a no-deal Brexit.

Some 3,500 troops were being held “at readiness” to aid in contingency plans if the UK leaves the European Union (EU) without an agreement in place, a spokesperson said.

More: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8834346.html

On a more important note, the pubs will be open, especially the Brexit ones.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Have we hit peak scaremongering Brexit bullshit today?

Brexit: Armed forces set up team in nuclear bunker to prepare for no deal outcome

Samuel Osborne @SamuelOsborne93
2 hours ago

Britain’s military has set up a team in a nuclear bunker beneath the Ministry of Defence (MoD) to prepare for a no-deal Brexit.

Some 3,500 troops were being held “at readiness” to aid in contingency plans if the UK leaves the European Union (EU) without an agreement in place, a spokesperson said.

More: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8834346.html

I know that behind the scenes Civil Servants have been asked to volunteer to leave their current posts for a duration (and I can't remember whar sort of duration) in order to move to certain locations and deal solely with matters arising from Brexit.

[trampie09]

Some experts now think that no deal is the most likely outcome - and in that scenario then the union will be on its last legs.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Some experts now think that no deal is the most likely outcome - and in that scenario then the union will be on its last legs.

Aha! The Welsh independence thing yet again. Wishful thinking on your part perhaps?

[trampie09]

Aha! The Welsh independence thing yet again. Wishful thinking on your part perhaps?

Oh no, the no deal possibility or probability even has nothing to do with Welsh independence, I just checked out what the FT political editor as well as what the Guardian journalists had to say last night and they agreed with the FT main man, they give the rationale as well, I looks like no deal has come up on the rails and hit the front inside the last furlong, will it stay there ?
If it does then that has big implications for a united Ireland and an independent Scotland not to mention Wales.

Its all in play now.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Oh no, the no deal possibility or probability even has nothing to do with Welsh independence, I just checked out what the FT political editor as well as what the Guardian journalists had to say last night and they agreed with the FT main man, they give the rationale as well, I looks like no deal has come up on the rails and hit the front inside the last furlong, will it stay there ?
If it does then that has big implications for a united Ireland and an independent Scotland not to mention Wales.

Its all in play now.

How will it affect Wales? Surely if Brexit goes ahead it will satisfy the majority vote in Wales. If Brexit doesn't go ahead do you think that Wales will vote for independence in order to leave the EU? I very much doubt it myself.

[trampie09]

How will it affect Wales? Surely if Brexit goes ahead it will satisfy the majority vote in Wales. If Brexit doesn't go ahead do you think that Wales will vote for independence in order to leave the EU? I very much doubt it myself.

Economic depravation in Wales whilst watching Scotland and N.Ireland go and having to put up with perpetual Tory rule from Westminster if hard Brexit happens.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Economic depravation in Wales whilst watching Scotland and N.Ireland go and having to put up with perpetual Tory rule from Westminster if hard Brexit happens.

On the other hand, Wales may be more deprived if it's economic fate is not tied to England whether we are in the EU or otherwise.

[trampie09]

That is putting the cart before the horse, you asked ''How will it affect Wales?'', I gave my answer which you haven't disputed but you don't seem to like where the answer leads.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

That is putting the cart before the horse, you asked ''How will it affect Wales?'', I gave my answer which you haven't disputed but you don't seem to like where the answer leads.

I think you are sorely mistaken if you think that I have a predilection as to where things will lead. I ask questions in order to glean answers and always try to dig when people proffer their opinions. Some base their views on other than anecdote and myopia and others on information they have researched. As someone who can be swayed by the latter I am prepared to listen rather than shoehorn my opinions to fit any underlying agenda. I am not party political for that very reason.

[trampie09]

You ask questions because you don't know, yes I get that.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

You ask questions because you don't know, yes I get that.

I am always happy to be educated to a greater degree, old fruit.

[trampie09]

Robert Peston thinks the UK will leave the EU without a deal on 12 April, all the experts I have seen in the last 24 hours are saying no deal, will they be right ?

[trampie09]

Oh things are moving fast as regards sentiment and its been like that for the last week or so, if I was a bookie odds would be changing all the time, latest whispers is the Government are going to give Parliament indicative votes [if and when MV3 loses] so a soft Brexit might well come into play.
May/Government driving the car = no deal
Parliament taking control via indicative votes and driving the car = soft Brexit imo, talk of 7 choices being on the table.