Brexit thread

[Wales-Bales]

Well you would have hated to take up the mantle but Theresa May certainly barged her way to the front of the queue when the opportunity arose.

She then almost single handedly initiated and executed the worst election campaign in living memory when you look at the poll lead she frittered away and the weakness that introduced by having to rely upon a minority party.

She then painted a load of unnecessary red lines that appeased the hard Brexiteers but handcuffed negotiators and looked even weaker when these red lines were softened. Its difficult to remember that pre and post referendum a range of options what Brexit could be were being articulated by the same Tory ministers and backbenchers who now are filleting May for negotiating one they don't like.

To give her credit she seems to be driven by a sense of duty. She has survived this far mainly due to the cowardice of other Tories who would rather criticise and undermine but didn't have the guts to put themselves forward as alternatives when they knew they would have to pick up responsibility for a crock of shit.

I am quite pleased with how well all of my predictions turned out

[CardiffIrish2]

It doesnt matter what May delivers or agrees as her opponent's will not under any circumstance support or vote for any deal , as their real goal is power , bugger the people , or the effects of Brexit upon them ,I'm still waiting to see there detailed alternative plan .

We are just used as a political football.

We were used as a political foootball when call me Dave called an unnecessary referendum as he was scared of Nigel and the Daily Mail and wanted to prove what a tough guy he was
Before buggering off.

So I think some of your anger should be thrown in the way of the old Etonian pig shagger

[Wales-Bales]

[Organ Morgan.]

May on the edge.

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Senior tory tells me Brexiteer anger so high that seems likely there will be a call for no confidence vote tomorrow - letters going in -

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[Wales-Bales]

I think this is what Bone was alluding to

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/1...r-theresa-may/

[life on mars]

To quote Vyvian from the young ones in the Bambi episode ‘I’m completely bloody sick of this’ in regards to USA politics.

We’ve got this impending disaster/salivation depending on your viewpoint less then 5 months away.

Watching Yvette Cooper yesterday in Parlimentary select committee made me realise Labour missed an opportunity not electing her leader as I think they’d be miles ahead in polls.

Basically she was questioning the lack of planning at Border control. Which is highly ironic on the part of the Govt and leavers as Brexit was supposed to be about taking control of borders......

And there for me personally lies the problem, for Labour .

Yvette Cooper would romp into power ,however like a lot of good Labour MP's they have been marginalised and viewed as a sort of centralist 'who may have smiled at Blair at some point in thier lives, therefore becoming not required as leaders or front bench politicians, who should be tearing these Tories apart ,she is one of many good socialists , lost to us , and unfortunately stopping Labour becoming a powerful force .

[the other bob wilson]

And there for me personally lies the problem, for Labour .

Yvette Cooper would romp into power ,however like a lot of good Labour MP's they have been marginalised and viewed as a sort of centralist 'who may have smiled at Blair at some point in thier lives, therefore becoming not required as leaders or front bench politicians, who should be tearing these Tories apart ,she is one of many good socialists , lost to us , and unfortunately stopping Labour becoming a powerful force .

I would add the words "through her attachment to New Labour" after "she is one of many good socialists , lost to us".

To repeat what I posted on the other board a while ago;-

"I've not paid too much attention to what's in this 500 page document yet, but doesn't the response to it so far show the idiocy of just having a yes or no question on the 2016 Referendum ballot paper? It's just showing that there were so many different versions of Brexit covered in the total Leave vote - there will be some who are happy to proceed with it, but others who will be convinced it's a sell out and, to quote a phrase I've heard used quite often in the last twenty four hours, the worst of all worlds, yet they are all supposed to be on the same side!"

[cyril evans awaydays]

Raab sees exit. Who will be next? One minute he is confessing he didn't realise the volume of trade through Dover and the next minute he is resigning, presumably to support a no deal whose consequences are likely to turn southern Kent into a lorry park.

[Wales-Bales]

Raab sees exit. Who will be next? One minute he is confessing he didn't realise the volume of trade through Dover and the next minute he is resigning, presumably to support a no deal whose consequences are likely to turn southern Kent into a lorry park.

[Wales-Bales]

And there for me personally lies the problem, for Labour .

Yvette Cooper would romp into power ,however like a lot of good Labour MP's they have been marginalised and viewed as a sort of centralist 'who may have smiled at Blair at some point in thier lives, therefore becoming not required as leaders or front bench politicians, who should be tearing these Tories apart ,she is one of many good socialists , lost to us , and unfortunately stopping Labour becoming a powerful force .

Yvette Cooper is a Blairite.

[life on mars]

Yvette Cooper is a Blairite.

See my comment

[CardiffIrish2]

So what will today bring?

Part of me wishes this deal goes through as it at least prevents the shit storm of queues at the borders to get trade through.

[the other bob wilson]

Three resignations by 10 am - after all of the months of inertia things are certainly happening!

[Wales-Bales]

[CardiffIrish2]

Yvette Cooper is a Blairite.

So? She’s very good at holding the govt to account as the committee meetings show.

[Wales-Bales]

So? She’s very good at holding the govt to account as the committee meetings show.

It's all smoke and mirrors, Blairites are Tory-light globalists. They are David Cameron with a red rosette.

[the other bob wilson]

Daniel Norcross on The Cricket Social just now - will the Sri Lankan innings last longer than the current government?

[CardiffIrish2]

It's all smoke and mirrors, Blairites are Tory-light globalists. They are David Cameron with a red rosette.

Thanks for that I feel so educated.

Honest.

[Wales-Bales]

Thanks for that I feel so educated.

Honest.

You're welcome, now support a proper Labour candidate!

[cyril evans awaydays]

Thanks for that I feel so educated.

Honest.

There is some reasonable debate taking place in this thread interspersed with the odd, and I mean odd, picture of european leaders with cupped hands over their mouths and you tube video presumably meant to signify some secret plot for the UK to remain in the EU. Alternatively a bit of predictable name calling that could annoy those on record of disparaging those who shoot the messenger rather than being able to articulate why they are disagreement with the message.

It's almost like triviality and the inability to articulate a rational argument was a prerequisite for Mensa membership these days!

[Wales-Bales]

[Wales-Bales]

[Carl Dale's Mole]

Riveting stuff. First time watching a parliamentary session for two hours straight.

I feel a little sorry for May. She's trapped and there's **** all she can do about it . Not going down without a fight.

I agreed with her saying too many MPs are talking about what they wish would happen (second vote) rather than what is happening (brexit).

[blue matt]

Riveting stuff. First time watching a parliamentary session for two hours straight.

I feel a little sorry for May. She's trapped and there's **** all she can do about it . Not going down without a fight.

I agreed with her saying too many MPs are talking about what they wish would happen (second vote) rather than what is happening (brexit).

How many MP's asked for a " peoples vote " even after she had said No plenty of times, it was worse than a primary school debating club

Fair play, she played with a straight bat with that

[Wales-Bales]

How many MP's asked for a " peoples vote " even after she had said No plenty of times, it was worse than a primary school debating club

Fair play, she played with a straight bat with that

We've already had a peoples vote, their job now is to carry out the will of the people.