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    Another mass shooting in the land of the free...


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    I feel so sorry for the level headed moderates in that country.
    They have to live with right wing republican nut jobs who, when confronted on these events think the solution is more guns.
    The 2nd amendment was probably a good idea 150 years ago when half the country was a lawless wilderness but not today.

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    The fallout from the mid-terms has polarised the country even more. It's such an angry nation.

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    The answer is everyone over the age of 5 should have a gun so they can defend themselves.There I beat Trump to it.

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    What I love (in a shake my head laugh at the black humour of it) is the NRA enthusiasts now saying because California has strict gun laws this is why it has happened.
    No mentions of the victims whoís blood is still warm merely rants about constitutional rights

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    The answer is clearly to have people with guns in every school, bar, shop, religious building, government building etc etc. That should bring unemployment levels down.

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    Some of the anti-Acosta comments on Twitter are genuinely worrying. I really hope someone doesn't do something stupid.

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    Within 10 years they will have an annual purge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sneggyblubird View Post
    The answer is everyone over the age of 5 should have a gun so they can defend themselves.There I beat Trump to it.
    Next headline :

    Nursery carnage as first-grader revisits former school

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnojek View Post
    Some of the anti-Acosta comments on Twitter are genuinely worrying. I really hope someone doesn't do something stupid.
    That press conference
    Trump had to be coked up ffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnojek View Post
    Some of the anti-Acosta comments on Twitter are genuinely worrying. I really hope someone doesn't do something stupid.
    There was a mass killing at a local paper and nothing changed, if anything things got much worse. It's very sad to see America go down this route and be led there by the President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Gillis View Post
    That press conference
    Trump had to be coked up ffs.
    ....and the alleged doctored video making it look worse than it was. I've always felt we look differently upon America because of Disneyland, McDonalds, Coca Cola and the Simpsons, as well as the fact they speak English. It's as much of a basket case of a nation as the ones they invade, in the name of free speech and democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Gillis View Post
    I feel so sorry for the level headed moderates in that country.
    They have to live with right wing republican nut jobs who, when confronted on these events think the solution is more guns.
    The 2nd amendment was probably a good idea 150 years ago when half the country was a lawless wilderness but not today.
    The second amendment is over 200 years old. Written to protect citizens from tyrannical government. (like the British) by forming an armed militia as had been done at the start of the revolutionary war. The idea that it provides individual citizens to own assault weapons if ****ing ludicrous. But then arms is a very lucrative business so what are you going to do?

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    Just read this on Twitter

    More Americans have died from gunshots in the last 50 years than in all of the wars in American history. Since 1968, more than 1.5 million Americans have died in gun-related incidents.


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    There seems to be general agreement that the shooter was a former marine - it's being said that he suffered from PTSD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    There seems to be general agreement that the shooter was a former marine - it's being said that he suffered from PTSD.
    And heíd acting irrationally recently held in custody and cleared for release by a police psychologist
    Poor bloke (the psychologist) must be going through hell now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnojek View Post
    ....and the alleged doctored video making it look worse than it was. I've always felt we look differently upon America because of Disneyland, McDonalds, Coca Cola and the Simpsons, as well as the fact they speak English. It's as much of a basket case of a nation as the ones they invade, in the name of free speech and democracy.
    Your probably right, I was watching the demonstrations on TV tonight in Pakistan because they released a women from death row who was caught saying a blasphemy comment ,and thought what year are we in , you then view the same type of angst demonstrations in the USA and it does make you wonder.

    I am so thankfully I'm British .

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Your probably right, I was watching the demonstrations on TV tonight in Pakistan because they released a women from death row who was caught saying a blasphemy comment ,and thought what year are we in , you then view the same type of angst demonstrations in the USA and it does make you wonder.

    I am so thankfully I'm British .
    Are you?
    For mass yank shootings, see UK stabbings.
    Iíd wager thereís more people stabbed to death over here, than people killed in mass shootings over there, considering population sizes.
    Itís legal to carry guns over there. Illegal to carry knives over here.
    Who has the bigger problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Are you?
    For mass yank shootings, see UK stabbings.
    Iíd wager thereís more people stabbed to death over here, than people killed in mass shootings over there, considering population sizes.
    Itís legal to carry guns over there. Illegal to carry knives over here.
    Who has the bigger problem?

    Youíve answered that question. Possession of a knife in a public place is at least illegal and there are efforts (sadly not enough) to try and curb the problem.

    In the USA gun culture within certain parts of the population is glorified. Iím sure someone will be along with the stats but itís quite disturbing when you read after any mass shooting how the answer from a sizeable amount of people in the USA aid to arm more people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2 View Post
    Youíve answered that question. Possession of a knife in a public place is at least illegal and there are efforts (sadly not enough) to try and curb the problem.

    In the USA gun culture within certain parts of the population is glorified. Iím sure someone will be along with the stats but itís quite disturbing when you read after any mass shooting how the answer from a sizeable amount of people in the USA aid to arm more people.
    Both problems have no solution. Do you think there would be less shootings in America if carrying guns became illegal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Both problems have no solution. Do you think there would be less shootings in America if carrying guns became illegal?
    Less is difficult to say, but you'd imagine there'd be fewer massive death tolls like the las Vegas shooter as it would become even harder to get hold of automatics.

    Stabbing and knives is obviously terrible, but no one stabs and kills a dozen people. Maybe the stats show there's more death by knives per person in the UK than by guns in the US. I doubt it but I'd take knives every time as I can run from a guy with knife.

    Ok, I've looked 2017, 688 homicides in the UK for 66m people. That's all, including the terrorist attacks in London and Manchester. About 1 in 100,000 people.

    2017 in the USA, over 14,000 killed in mass shootings (4+ killed) in population 325m. About one in 25,000 people.

    It's not even close and the UK stats are EVERYTHING not just knives. Don't believe the hype. When you read "up 20%" stories you need to see the raw figures or its meaningless.

    Edit:

    https://www.aol.com/article/news/201...isto/23298797/

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43905407

    Also interesting to note in that article, it says over 14,000 killed and 29,000 injured in those American incidents. That is, get hit and there's a 1 in 3 chance of death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Less is difficult to say, but you'd imagine there'd be fewer massive death tolls like the las Vegas shooter as it would become even harder to get hold of automatics.

    Stabbing and knives is obviously terrible, but no one stabs and kills a dozen people. Maybe the stats show there's more death by knives per person in the UK than by guns in the US. I doubt it but I'd take knives every time as I can run from a guy with knife.

    Ok, I've looked 2017, 688 homicides in the UK for 66m people. That's all, including the terrorist attacks in London and Manchester. About 1 in 100,000 people.

    2017 in the USA, over 14,000 killed in mass shootings (4+ killed) in population 325m. About one in 25,000 people.

    It's not even close and the UK stats are EVERYTHING not just knives. Don't believe the hype. When you read "up 20%" stories you need to see the raw figures or its meaningless.

    Edit:

    https://www.aol.com/article/news/201...isto/23298797/

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43905407
    How do you know those stats are real 🤔

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    How do you know those stats are real ��
    Yeah mate, probably thousands of people being stabbed in the UK without anyone being told, papers or police. Feck me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Yeah mate, probably thousands of people being stabbed in the UK without anyone being told, papers or police. Feck me...
    No need to get excited Lardy. Itís just that your telling me not to believe the hype, then quoting stats that you think are gospel.
    The killer in the States yesterday was an a ex marine with mental health problems.
    The stabbers over here are mostly gang members and wanna be gangsters.
    Whether weapons are legal or illegal doesnít matter. Itís the human mind that is the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    No need to get excited Lardy. It’s just that your telling me not to believe the hype, then quoting stats that you think are gospel.
    The killer in the States yesterday was an a ex marine with mental health problems.
    The stabbers over here are mostly gang members and wanna be gangsters.
    Whether weapons are legal or illegal doesn’t matter. It’s the human mind that is the problem.
    To be honest, the "people don't believe in experts" thing really annoys me, this weird pride in ignorance is the biggest factor in the country crashing downhill in my opinion.

    You had a guess about uk knives vs us mass shootings, fair enough. But after seeing you were massively wrong, instead of saying "I'm probably wrong" you seem to be saying "I'm probably right and the figures are wrong". Can you not see how nuts that is?

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    As for the mental health/gang thing, well if my family member was dead then it would make little difference to me but as an ordinary citizen I would know I'm less likely to be targetted by a gang member than someone with mental health problems. One will discriminate his victims, one won't. So I don't know where you're going with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    No need to get excited Lardy. Itís just that your telling me not to believe the hype, then quoting stats that you think are gospel.
    The killer in the States yesterday was an a ex marine with mental health problems.
    The stabbers over here are mostly gang members and wanna be gangsters.
    Whether weapons are legal or illegal doesnít matter. Itís the human mind that is the problem.
    If the human mind is the problem surely being able to legally buy guns that makes mass killings easier. Youíll still get knife crime but itís a lot harder to kill a lot of people with a knife than a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    No need to get excited Lardy. Itís just that your telling me not to believe the hype, then quoting stats that you think are gospel.
    The killer in the States yesterday was an a ex marine with mental health problems.
    The stabbers over here are mostly gang members and wanna be gangsters.
    Whether weapons are legal or illegal doesnít matter. Itís the human mind that is the problem.
    The murder rate per 100,000 in the U.K. is 1.2 while itís 5.50 in the USA. You can follow that to the base stats if youíre interested in them being real too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    How do you know those stats are real 🤔
    Are you for real?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    If the human mind is the problem surely being able to legally buy guns that makes mass killings easier. Youíll still get knife crime but itís a lot harder to kill a lot of people with a knife than a gun.
    Do you think it would make a difference in the states if it became illegal to buy firearms?
    Over here itís illegal to carry guns and take drugs, but thereís more of both on the streets right now than ever.

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