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  1. #31

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Do you think it would make a difference in the states if it became illegal to buy firearms?
    Over here it’s illegal to carry guns and take drugs, but there’s more of both on the streets right now than ever.
    How do you know? What stats are you taking as gospel?

  2. #32

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Are you for real?
    Yes. Iím for real. Are you? We now live in a world where any statistic can be relatively questioned.
    We are being force fed so many lies and cover ups. The fate of many is being guided by a few.
    FFS Iím morphing into Mrs Steve R !!!

  3. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    How do you know? What stats are you taking as gospel?
    None. Iím giving an opinion, just like you. I donít think it would be very difficult to buy drugs or a gun in the UK at the moment though, do you?

  4. #34

    Re: Another mass shooting in the land of the free...

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Yes. Iím for real. Are you? We now live in a world where any statistic can be relatively questioned.
    We are being force fed so many lies and cover ups. The fate of many is being guided by a few.
    FFS Iím morphing into Mrs Steve R !!!
    Thatís why you do research and check the source of any stats you use. Itís one of the easiest things to verify unless youíd prefer to back a conspiracy narrative.

  5. #35

    Re: Another mass shooting in the land of the free...

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Do you think it would make a difference in the states if it became illegal to buy firearms?
    Over here itís illegal to carry guns and take drugs, but thereís more of both on the streets right now than ever.
    It made a difference in the U.K. and Australia didnít it?

    The problem might be the US is too far gone but not being able to walk into a shop and just buy a gun would definitely lower shootings.

    The people doing mass shootings arenít career criminals whoíd buy a guns off the black market theyíre mentally ill people whoíve just grabbed it out of their parents closet.

    A country with poor care of mental health + legal purchase of guns = lots of mass shootings.

  6. #36

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    At the end of the day do you really need stats to back up that itís easier to kill lots of people with a gun than a knife?

  7. #37

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    None. Iím giving an opinion, just like you. I donít think it would be very difficult to buy drugs or a gun in the UK at the moment though, do you?
    I think youíd find it a lot harder to buy a gun than drugs.

  8. #38

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    At the end of the day do you really need stats to back up that itís easier to kill lots of people with a gun than a knife?
    I didnít say that. My point is, we are very quick to condemn the yanks and there gun laws. But we have our own problems over here as well with knives and guns( albeit on a smaller scale). At least the yanks hand out large clink sentences. You can murrder someone in cold blood over here at the age of 20, and be back on the streets before your 30. Anyway, thatís another discussion.

  9. #39

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    So because we have some murders we canít discuss them having a really high murder rate thatís caused by easy access to guns?

  10. #40

    Re: Another mass shooting in the land of the free...

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    None. Iím giving an opinion, just like you. I donít think it would be very difficult to buy drugs or a gun in the UK at the moment though, do you?
    "Over here itís illegal to carry guns and take drugs, but thereís more of both on the streets right now than ever." is not an opinion.

    When I give the official murder stats, that is not an opinion.

    I'm sure that stats aren't 100% reliable and are subject to massaging, but I don't believe for half a second that they're so wrong that the UK murder rate is higher than the US. That's ludicrous.

    As I said before, this whole thing of saying something without any evidence and following it up with I-believe-it's-true-so-that's-that is not only a problem in this country but exactly what Trump is trying to get away with (and is getting away with) in the US.


    If I wanted to buy a gun with the hope of killing someone and getting away with it, i.e. without forensics finding that it was one I'd bought it the week before, then no I would have absolutely no idea how to do that.

  11. #41

    Re: Another mass shooting in the land of the free...

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    I didn’t say that. My point is, we are very quick to condemn the yanks and there gun laws. But we have our own problems over here as well with knives and guns( albeit on a smaller scale). At least the yanks hand out large clink sentences. You can murrder someone in cold blood over here at the age of 20, and be back on the streets before your 30. Anyway, that’s another discussion.
    The yanks have very different laws in different states.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimin...ing_of_killers


    And to be honest, I think we have every right to condemn the yanks and their gun laws, as they have hundreds of mass shootings every year and we've had (I think I'm right in saying) three ever.

  12. #42

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    The yanks have very different laws in different states.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimin...ing_of_killers


    And to be honest, I think we have every right to condemn the yanks and their gun laws, as they have hundreds of mass shootings every year and we've had (I think I'm right in saying) three ever.
    Three would be hungerford, dunblane and Whitehaven?

    I think the USA definition is more than 4 people shot not including the shooter or something like that.
    I would imagine that there must have been some incidents during the troubles that would fall into that category, wasn't there a pub that was shot up by one side or other (can't remember which). Maybe they don't count those for some reason.

    If it is just that three then they were in 87, 93 and 2010

  13. #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    Three would be hungerford, dunblane and Whitehaven?

    I think the USA definition is more than 4 people shot not including the shooter or something like that.
    I would imagine that there must have been some incidents during the troubles that would fall into that category, wasn't there a pub that was shot up by one side or other (can't remember which). Maybe they don't count those for some reason.

    If it is just that three then they were in 87, 93 and 2010
    Yes that's the three I was thinking of. What was the IRA one in a pub? I can only remember pub bombings. Was it in GB or N Ireland?

  14. #44

    Re: Another mass shooting in the land of the free...

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Yes that's the three I was thinking of. What was the IRA one in a pub? I can only remember pub bombings. Was it in GB or N Ireland?
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughinisland_massacre

    In northern Ireland, 6 people killed by uvf terrorists.
    1994.
    That 87-94 period was definitely the worst period for mass shootings in the UK. Since the law changed there has been one in 24 years.
    Total coincidence but we've also never had a mass shooting under a labour government it seems

  15. #45

    Re: Another mass shooting in the land of the free...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughinisland_massacre

    In northern Ireland, 6 people killed by uvf terrorists.
    1994.
    That 87-94 period was definitely the worst period for mass shootings in the UK. Since the law changed there has been one in 24 years.
    Total coincidence but we've also never had a mass shooting under a labour government it seems
    Cheers for that. I guess it could be argued (if anyone was interested enough which they're not) that the IRA or other paramilitary groups can get hold of guns in a way that ordinary people/criminals/nutcases can't, so they're not quite the same.

  16. #46

    Re: Another mass shooting in the land of the free...

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Do you think it would make a difference in the states if it became illegal to buy firearms?
    Over here it’s illegal to carry guns and take drugs, but there’s more of both on the streets right now than ever.
    But there aren't as many guns over here per head of population as there are in the States. And guess which country records more deaths by guns and the greater legal supply thereof.

  17. #47

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    But there aren't as many guns over here per head of population as there are in the States. And guess which country records more deaths by guns and the greater legal supply thereof.
    It would have to be a guess if you don't believe statistics!

  18. #48

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    So while Brits are getting upset and angry on the Yanks behalf, why donít they vote to outlaw guns in the states? Answer.- Because they donít want to. Simple.

  19. #49

    Re: Another mass shooting in the land of the free...

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    None. I’m giving an opinion, just like you. I don’t think it would be very difficult to buy drugs or a gun in the UK at the moment though, do you?
    Please drop me the details of how to buy a gun over hear , as i have no idea ,i do though know they sell them openly in USA shops AND very dangerous knives ( far worse than ours ) their drug trade is a billion times worse ,I'm astonished you are comparing the two countries in any shape or form ,thankfully so would a majority of like minded people in the UK .

  20. #50

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Please drop me the details of how to buy a gun over hear , as i have no idea ,i do though know they sell them openly in USA shops AND very dangerous knives ( far worse than ours ) their drug trade is a billion times worse ,I'm astonished you are comparing the two countries in any shape or form ,thankfully so would a majority of like minded people in the UK .
    Why do you want a gun? Your as bad as the yanks! 😀

  21. #51

    Re: Another mass shooting in the land of the free...

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Why do you want a gun? Your as bad as the yanks! ��
    I dont but you advised me and others and I quote ::

    "I donít think it would be very difficult to buy drugs or a gun in the UK "

    Shall I offer your details to the authorities so you can help reduced the risk in the UK ,as its important and if you do think or know this fact isn't it our duty to report it and saves lives .

  22. #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I dont but you advised me and others and I quote ::

    "I donít think it would be very difficult to buy drugs or a gun in the UK "

    Shall I offer your details to the authorities so you can help reduced the risk in the UK ,as its important and if you do think or know this fact isn't it our duty to report it and saves lives .
    Get over yourself.

  23. #53

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Get over yourself.
    Just a concerned citizen looking to save innocent lives ,we should all pull together to fix our country ,and keep folk safe .

  24. #54

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    So while Brits are getting upset and angry on the Yanks behalf, why donít they vote to outlaw guns in the states? Answer.- Because they donít want to. Simple.
    Are people angry and upset or are they just saying itís stupid that itís so easy to buy guns, even if you have a history of domestic abuse or mental health.

    Itís too late to make guns illegal there but sensible background checks would be sensible.

    They wonít be brought in though because the NRA bribes the majority of senators.

  25. #55

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    It would have to be a guess if you don't believe statistics!

  26. #56

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    The second amendment is over 200 years old. Written to protect citizens from tyrannical government. (like the British) by forming an armed militia as had been done at the start of the revolutionary war. The idea that it provides individual citizens to own assault weapons if ****ing ludicrous. But then arms is a very lucrative business so what are you going to do?
    200 hundred years ago the best anyone had were muskets and canons. Now U.S. citizen militias would be up against government forces who have an amazing array of weaponry and absolute control of the skies too. Assault rifles versus that would be akin to trying to stop a tank with a water pistol, and yet there are those who are determined to weaken them further by limiting them to handguns.

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    Re: Another mass shooting in the land of the free...

    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    200 hundred years ago the best anyone had were muskets and canons. Now U.S. citizen militias would be up against government forces who have an amazing array of weaponry and absolute control of the skies too. Assault rifles versus that would be akin to trying to stop a tank with a water pistol, and yet there are those who are determined to weaken them further by limiting them to handguns.
    Not far enough in my opinion. If they're going to keep the 2nd amendment it should specify matchlock muskets or pistols only.

  28. #58

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    https://www.thisamericanlife.org/659...e-the-next-one

    The impact doesn't stop on the shooting day, people are hit hard by days like yesterday for years if not forever. How can the US not see need for some change?

  29. #59

    Re: Another mass shooting in the land of the free...

    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    https://www.thisamericanlife.org/659...e-the-next-one

    The impact doesn't stop on the shooting day, people are hit hard by days like yesterday for years if not forever. How can the US not see need for some change?
    They are obviously ok with the current gun laws or theyíd vote to change it.

  30. #60

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    They are obviously ok with the current gun laws or they’d vote to change it.
    When was this on the ballot? I must have missed it.

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