Changing managers outside the window

[AlwaysAway2]

Should not be allowed. Poor Southampton would have won on Saturday have no doubt.

Death should allow a caretaker from within the club to stand in. Otherwise no manager should change except in the window.

Discuss.

[Rjk]

Makes sense

[Des Parrot]

What a cracking suggestion. 100% agree

[Wales-Bales]

I'd draw the curtains before the missus got an eyeful.

[The Bloop]

After seeing Harry Redknapp crack-washing in the jungle showers the other day I think this is a very good suggestion.

[lardy]

Should not be allowed. Poor Southampton would have won on Saturday have no doubt.

Death should allow a caretaker from within the club to stand in. Otherwise no manager should change except in the window.

Discuss.

Better hire more home security for the under pressure managers.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Better hire more home security for the under pressure managers.

I'm not so sure, I think a lot of clubs would pull the trigger after bad starts and in January, as there's less opportunity to "ride out the storm", as you'll be left with a dud manager for 4 months.

[NYCBlue]

I think clubs should be able to what they want regarding managers.

The windows are hectic and crazy enough.

Why should you have to ride out half the season with a failing manager? Or worse, with a manager that knows he's getting sacked on January 1st? Managers have agents too. How would we feel if we had a manager that was already tapped up to go somewhere else? Or manager that was waiting for a phone call all month only to suddenly end up elsewhere at 11pm on January 31st?

[Pedro de la Rosa]

I think clubs should be able to what they want regarding managers.

The windows are hectic and crazy enough.

Why should you have to ride out half the season with a failing manager? Or worse, with a manager that knows he's getting sacked on January 1st? Managers have agents too. How would we feel if we had a manager that was already tapped up to go somewhere else? Or manager that was waiting for a phone call all month only to suddenly end up elsewhere at 11pm on January 31st?

We'd have gone down if we stuck with Trollope until Jan 1st. We comfortably stayed up under Warnock but Warnock picked up 16 points in 2016, and 3 more on Jan 2nd (Warnock wouldn't have been able to turn things around in a day!), so 19 in 12 games. We'd have got 8 points under Trollope, so an 11 point gain. We stayed up by 11 points.

Obviously, that's highly subjective but I think we'd have struggled had Warnock come in January as opposed to October.

[life on mars]

We'd have gone down if we stuck with Trollope until Jan 1st. We comfortably stayed up under Warnock but Warnock picked up 16 points in 2016, and 3 more on Jan 2nd (Warnock wouldn't have been able to turn things around in a day!), so 19 in 12 games. We'd have got 8 points under Trollope, so an 11 point gain. We stayed up by 11 points.

Obviously, that's highly subjective but I think we'd have struggled had Warnock come in January as opposed to October.

I think your right we would have gone down with Trollope .

[Rjk]

I think your right we would have gone down with Trollope .

who knows, I tihnk he was a bit unlucky with injuries, but we will never knw

the other clubs wouldn't have been able to sack their managers either so there would have been other clubs down there too.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

who knows, I tihnk he was a bit unlucky with injuries, but we will never knw

the other clubs wouldn't have been able to sack their managers either so there would have been other clubs down there too.

Injuries? To who? This is the team from his last game, pretty much full strength and my God, it was bad.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37460401

[Ianto13]

I think your right we would have gone down with Trollope .

Trollope is an excellent No2,Euros with Wales,Promotion with Brighton,who knows if he was given more time! Problem was that he was away with Wales during preseason.

[splott parker]

I'm not so sure, I think a lot of clubs would pull the trigger after bad starts and in January, as there's less opportunity to "ride out the storm", as you'll be left with a dud manager for 4 months.

Couldn’t do it after a bad start now, window shut before the season’s start didn’t it?

[jamieccfc]

More nonsense from always away

[Harry Monk]

More nonsense from always away

To be fair, he's starting a debate. He doesn't even say that its what he thinks should happen.

[Rjk]

I think you're being extremely kind but don't want to derail the thread, so we'll agree to disagree!

https://www.skysports.com/football/n...f/teams/358175

Um, that's not how this works.
You now have to bring this topic into every thread on here until we both become seething balls of resentment and rage. Eventually one of us will die and the other will be the winner.

[Don Corleone]

What is remarkable is in both City teams on the links are 7 players who are now in our Premier league squad

[Rjk]

What is remarkable is in both City teams on the links are 7 players who are now in our Premier league squad

And one in the Norwich team

[Pedro de la Rosa]

And one in the Norwich team

Who scored!

[Rjk]

Who scored!

Absolute belter too from memory

[Rjk]

Trollope is a great coach by all accounts. He was a total waste as a manager. Being a manager didn't play to his strengths, which is coaching. It's a totally different job. That's not Trollope's fault, either. It's a bit like Osian Roberts being touted as Welsh boss, when he's far more effective in his current role.

I'm just glad other industries are more forgiving than football

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I'm just glad other industries are more forgiving than football

I heard a number of pundits talking about Trollope's position as our manager at the time. The general consensus was that Trollope is great being out with the players on the coaching field but, as manager, would have spent most of his time in the office dealing with the crap that goes with being in charge. I can't recall any one of them saying that it was a position that Trollope would grow into. Some people don't make the step up and become good managers, regardless of how much time they're given.

For me, the only shame is that we didn't keep hold of him as a coach.

[Rjk]

I heard a number of pundits talking about Trollope's position as our manager at the time. The general consensus was that Trollope is great being out with the players on the coaching field but, as manager, would have spent most of his time in the office dealing with the crap that goes with being in charge. I can't recall any one of them saying that it was a position that Trollope would grow into. Some people don't make the step up and become good managers, regardless of how much time they're given.

For me, the only shame is that we didn't keep hold of him as a coach.

On the other hand, there is more than one way of being a manager. If you have a weakness in your skill set then improve or bring someone else in to over that aspect. Some managers spend a lot of time on the training pitch, others leave that to the coaches entirely.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

On the other hand, there is more than one way of being a manager. If you have a weakness in your skill set then improve or bring someone else in to over that aspect. Some managers spend a lot of time on the training pitch, others leave that to the coaches entirely.

Or it could be that Trollope is an excellent coach, useless manager and shouldn't have been given the job in the first place.

I'm not blaming Trollope in any of this, or knocking his abilities by the way. Far from it. But at the time, his position as manager clearly wasn't working and our performances, morale etc were plummetting. It wasn't as if things were starting to get better. They were getting worse. That says 100% that Trollope wasn't suitable for the requirements of being a manager. In the end he chopped and changed personnel and formations so often trying to find a winning formula, that it went tits up. He, along with Solskjaer, were our worst two managers since the millennium. Slightly ironic, that, because Slade was arguably propped up by Trollope's excellence as a coach and assistant, but Slade could manage. Trollope clearly couldn't.