Government in contempt of Parliament

[life on mars]

Corbyn has made a complete mess of this issue without needing the help of anyone else - after watching all of his speech in the debate on May's deal on Tuesday, I'm still none the wiser, some two and a half years after the referendum, as to what his true feelings on the subject of Brexit are

I was recently asked by a CCMB poster if I read or understood the deal (usual copt out reply ,along with show me the evidence ,lol ) .

Well I'm pretty sure a lot of the MP's we fund haven't read it in full or struggled with the terminology . Or get some young under paid intern to pick out the saliant points , that makes a headline or soundbite .

As for JC I notice in his interviews he veers off a bit talking about austerity etc ,which yes is critical, and needs fixing , but it gives the impression there's an avoidance of the Brexit details , or perhaps it's a lack of understanding or poor briefing.

Until we clear Brexit nothing gets done

And then we ge that tiresome 6 point test mantra , or "no hard border in the Irish Sea rant " which is a weak as May's deal .

I just don't understand why the opposition parties get tigther and physically produce an alternative document,
to substantiate their views and points, or is it simply so much easier to just pick holes and point score ,in attempt to win votes??? .

What this has taught me, were not up to this type of negotiations, or have the skill sets anywhere within the UK political spectrum, which was admiited at the outset , as a consequence Europe has spotted that weakness and lack of unity and simply outflanked us .

What we needed from all of the parties was consensus, what we got was a greedy selfish opportunity to grab power, bugger the voters ,and their decision .

[cyril evans awaydays]

I was recently asked by a CCMB poster if I read or understood the deal (usual copt out reply ,along with show me the evidence ,lol ) .

Well I'm pretty sure a lot of the MP's we fund haven't read it in full or struggled with the terminology . Or get some young under paid intern to pick out the saliant points , that makes a headline or soundbite .

As for JC I notice in his interviews he veers off a bit talking about austerity etc ,which yes is critical, and needs fixing , but it gives the impression there's an avoidance of the Brexit details , or perhaps it's a lack of understanding or poor briefing.

Until we clear Brexit nothing gets done

And then we ge that tiresome 6 point test mantra , or "no hard border in the Irish Sea rant " which is a weak as May's deal .

I just don't understand why the opposition parties get tigther and physically produce an alternative document,
to substantiate their views and points, or is it simply so much easier to just pick holes and point score ,in attempt to win votes??? .

What this has taught me, were not up to this type of negotiations, or have the skill sets anywhere within the UK political spectrum, which was admiited at the outset , as a consequence Europe has spotted that weakness and lack of unity and simply outflanked us .

What we needed from all of the parties was consensus, what we got was a greedy selfish opportunity to grab power, bugger the voters ,and their decision .

This covers quite a bit of ground in a meandering sort of way. As with most of your posts on this subject, they provide a quick skate over what has actually happened in the two and a half years since the referendum and then concentrate on a critique of the Labour Party's position.

Your plea for consensus might be merited if the Conservative Party and UK government under Theresa May hadn't spent 30 months arguing and fighting with itself. If it had unanimity, then together with a few Labour rebels, it would see off any opposition to the deal it has negotiated.

It might come as a surprise but one of the key responsibilities of HM Opposition is to oppose. All political parties need power to deliver their policies so decrying naked attempts to achieve that power are naive at best. Labour's 6 tests are frankly undeliverable but they happen to be all promisory notes given by Leave campaigners to the electorate prior to the referendum.

Jeremy Corbyn is probably the most unelectable Labour leader since Michael Foot. His rebellious behaviour when his party has been in government and out and his attachment to dubious causes alienate lots of people including me. To his credit though he often seeks to highlight issues outside of the Brexit bubble that are important to people such as Universal Credit, social welfare, transport and poverty. If he thinks that Brexit is a vehicle to force change and elect a government that gives power to deliver on these issues when kowtowing to May's deal would not what is wrong with that?