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    Re: Government in contempt of Parliament

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Are you suggesting you are against the democratic process that brought about this contempt of Parliament?

    In any case, here's how I see things at the moment.

    Parliamentary sovereignty requires that MPs back any Brexit proposals or they get thrown out. Parliament won't back May's "deal", it certainly won't back "no-deal". Some will then say that MPs should be bound by the will of the people, but because there are so many possible Brexit scenarios (May's deal, Norway style, Canada, no-deal), that's impossible to interpret. Many say leave means leave, but there are reputable, unbiased polls that suggest as many as half of leave voters wanted to remain in the single market and customs union. It's a mess created by the lack of clarity of what Brexit meant in 2016 - hell, there were leave campaigners promising lots of different flavours of Brexit from soft to no-deal.

    All of this means Parliament will be unable to decide and so there's either going to be a general election or a second referendum (or possibly both). It's unavoidable. It would be a binding referendum that could not be overruled, unlike the last one. That'll lead to arguments over what questions would be on a second referendum. 3 questions (no-deal/ Norway style/remain) will split the leave vote, leaving remain to romp home; a shoot out of remain/no-deal would result in another remain romp as those preferring a soft-Brexit are more likely to remain; or a shoot out of remain/Norway-style, which would be objected to by many who want a hard-Brexit.

    Whatever happens over the next 4 months, it'll be fascinating times in politics.
    Thanks It's a great summary .

    I would suggest parliaments behaviour suggests they are not concerned what the people voted for , they just want to see the first referendum result over turned ?

    My guess this was always going to be the case / plan, we were never going to leave were we ? , Europe with May have created this scenario.

    MP's from all parties have frustrate the process to an extent
    the remainers will win.

    They will wear down the electorate until the exit is stopped in its tracks .

    Perhaps it's the best way forward ,as the Brexiteers in both major parties are loons.

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    Re: Government in contempt of Parliament

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I would suggest parliaments behaviour suggests they are not concerned what the people voted for.
    So what did the people vote for? No-deal? Norway style? May's deal? Don't say leave, as we know leave meant a lot of different things.

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    Re: Government in contempt of Parliament

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    So what did the people vote for? No-deal? Norway style? May's deal? Don't say leave, as we know leave meant a lot of different things.
    Brexit means Brexit apparently. Or perhaps sort of.

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    Re: Government in contempt of Parliament

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    So what did the people vote for? No-deal? Norway style? May's deal? Don't say leave, as we know leave meant a lot of different things.
    People voted in silos, North East was fishing , run down coastal towns and poorer northern towns saw immigration effecting their services , farmers felt the French had a better deal . What I have never really worked out was what Labour voters were voting for in places like Wales , where Europe delivered a lot of funding ,and saw us as a net beneficiary .

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    Re: Government in contempt of Parliament

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    People voted in silos, North East was fishing , run down coastal towns and poorer northern towns saw immigration effecting their services , farmers felt the French had a better deal . What I have never really worked out was what Labour voters were voting for in places like Wales , where Europe delivered a lot of funding ,and saw us as a net beneficiary .
    You know he means which version of leave and not why. You avoided answering this question in another thread too, why?

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