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https://www.popularmechanics.com/tec...a3524/4278874/Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
I presume these scientific investigators and engineers were in on the plot and it wasn't the work of "followers of a cave dweller who had a proclivity for molesting preteen girls" as you so delicately put it. Still what science and fact has to do with undermining your intellectually snobbish mumbo-jumbo is anybody's guess.
I thought I phrased it delicately. I'm sure I read quite recently that Muhammad is once again the most popular male baby name in the UK.
Yes, I didn't dream it: https://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/f...ealed-12806422
The National Institute of Standards and Technology is a physical sciences laboratory, and a non-regulatory agency of the United States Department of Commerce.
It's part of The Matrix.
Phew! That's lucky, otherwise we'd have to actually think about the physics mentioned. As it is, we can just dismiss it.
3000 architects and engineers, none on the government payroll and all very familiar with physics, have studied the physics and say it was impossible for them to fall as they did. Try to keep up.
Many rubbish the NIST report here: https://www.ae911truth.org/
3000, eh? That must be, what, 80-90% of all the world's architects and engineers.
I'll type this slowly in the hope that it sinks in. They are independent of government. If that doesn't do the trick, their next salary payment doesn't hinge on pleasing their US government bosses.
I particularly liked NIST lead investigator's response to Gage and his cronies critique of their report. "I am really not a psychologist. Our job was to come up with the best science." Sums up my thoughts on some of the theorists on here better than I could.
Are you suggesting the 120,000 members of the American Society of Mechanical Engineers, the 123,000 members of the American Society of Civil Engineers and the 80,000 members of the American Institute of Architects (the huge majority of which, basic maths will tell us, are not members of AE911truth) are in the pay of the government?
Out of interest, have you researched how many of those 3000 currently hold licences and which fields they work in? I think you'll be surprised when you do.
They are not members they are people who signed a petition!
http://www.ae911truth.org/signatures/#/AE/
That fits the narrative nicely. Now organ can argue that the reason these people are not successful in their field is because they have railed against the government and seen their careers destroyed as if they live in 1960s China.
Going on record against the government line was a brave, some might say, foolish decision as the state (yes, The Matrix) has a long reach.
What rubbish, people are constantly going against the government line in both the UK and USA, not to mention dozens of other countries.
I was recently asked by a CCMB poster if I read or understood the deal (usual copt out reply ,along with show me the evidence ,lol ) .
Well I'm pretty sure a lot of the MP's we fund haven't read it in full or struggled with the terminology . Or get some young under paid intern to pick out the saliant points , that makes a headline or soundbite .
As for JC I notice in his interviews he veers off a bit talking about austerity etc ,which yes is critical, and needs fixing , but it gives the impression there's an avoidance of the Brexit details , or perhaps it's a lack of understanding or poor briefing.
Until we clear Brexit nothing gets done
And then we ge that tiresome 6 point test mantra , or "no hard border in the Irish Sea rant " which is a weak as May's deal .
I just don't understand why the opposition parties get tigther and physically produce an alternative document,
to substantiate their views and points, or is it simply so much easier to just pick holes and point score ,in attempt to win votes??? .
What this has taught me, were not up to this type of negotiations, or have the skill sets anywhere within the UK political spectrum, which was admiited at the outset , as a consequence Europe has spotted that weakness and lack of unity and simply outflanked us .
What we needed from all of the parties was consensus, what we got was a greedy selfish opportunity to grab power, bugger the voters ,and their decision .
This covers quite a bit of ground in a meandering sort of way. As with most of your posts on this subject, they provide a quick skate over what has actually happened in the two and a half years since the referendum and then concentrate on a critique of the Labour Party's position.
Your plea for consensus might be merited if the Conservative Party and UK government under Theresa May hadn't spent 30 months arguing and fighting with itself. If it had unanimity, then together with a few Labour rebels, it would see off any opposition to the deal it has negotiated.
It might come as a surprise but one of the key responsibilities of HM Opposition is to oppose. All political parties need power to deliver their policies so decrying naked attempts to achieve that power are naive at best. Labour's 6 tests are frankly undeliverable but they happen to be all promisory notes given by Leave campaigners to the electorate prior to the referendum.
Jeremy Corbyn is probably the most unelectable Labour leader since Michael Foot. His rebellious behaviour when his party has been in government and out and his attachment to dubious causes alienate lots of people including me. To his credit though he often seeks to highlight issues outside of the Brexit bubble that are important to people such as Universal Credit, social welfare, transport and poverty. If he thinks that Brexit is a vehicle to force change and elect a government that gives power to deliver on these issues when kowtowing to May's deal would not what is wrong with that?
I like to meander , and yes it is an attempt to summarise ,apologies for that .
One point you have skated around yourself is my view that the opposition should have a detailed alternative Brexit plan , if that of May's is so crap .
If one shouts its crap, surely its beholdent on one to provide some detailed alternative .
I see a lot of posters on this forum asking the same when political messages are made strangely they are not asked that of their own political masters , I honestly don't see it hear an alternative detaled plan ,do you ??
Where's the alternative plan to the Irish Border problem , if as we suspect JC wants out of the EU . ( lets be honest they don't have one ,or want to have one , as they in turn will be shot down just like May is , saying nothing of detail , and just complaining suits them at the moment ,exposure will come though )
I'd settle for a meandering plan , at least it shows purpose ,and an alternative plan .
I genuinely don't understand the points you are making a lot of the time but that is probably me and others easily grasp your messages.
On that basis I will offer my perspective:
May's negotiated deal is a crock that meets the EU negotiating position that the UK does not position itself to gain a competitive advantage from its departure;
May's negotiated deal is a crock that undermines the ability of the hard Brexit wing of the Conservative Party to forge the low regulation off-shore economy they crave;
May's negotiated deal is a crock that maintains many of the obligations of EU membership with none of the influence;
May's negotiated deal is a crock that undermines the integrity of the UK and has the potential to create artificial trade barriers between Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Corbyn's alternative as articulated might have started as a more coherent negotiating position than the artificial red lines that May unnecessarily painted at the start of negotiations to curry favour with the Brexiteers in her party. Now it is arrant nonsense that if he had power he would be able to negotiate his aims in the three months left of the period that May set for negotiations.
Once May's deal is filleted next week the only realistic options on the table that resolve the Irish Border question are likely to be a Norwegian type deal plus a customs union deal which was the softest of the Brexit options available advocated before the referendum by a number of Brexiteers but sneered at since, or retention of EU status.
Name an opposition that has ever done detail until election time? Labours idea is just that, an idea, they aren't negotiating with the EU so what use would detail be?
Once we have a different government (whenever that may be) it will be interesting to see if lifeonmars retains his preoccupation with the concept that the opposition isn't allowed to be critical of any policy without presenting specific and detailed alternatives.
Of course they can be critical , I just feel on this matter alone its so critical to us all . Its not about revealing stuff before an election, that's general party policy you are talking about ,this is a unique situation .
An alternative detailed published plan would show a different view/direction , it could potentially unlock this impasse we are in , which the opposition have stated many times as " move over now , and let us negotiate this deal as you have failed ,after two years " , surely the same goes for the opposition , they too have had two years to compile something in detail , in case they gained power , and would have to negotiate a deal very quickly,in detail , it would probably deliver an election win as well if it was welcomed ?.
I know , I'm not a bright as most of you on these matters , I do realise you don't show all your cards on normal day to day policy , however I'm not that naive to suspect they have nothing in the way of an alternative plan , and are as limited in idea or solution than this government , therefore they too are balancing on a tightrope of politics , as much as the government is , because the country is split , European leaders will say and do, as they have with this deal , they are not going too climb down.
Perhaps its time for brave leadership , even if that means simply coming out and bravely saying "enough is enough" , "" were at an impasse we now want a second referendum "", which perhaps offers the people choice of being in the single customs union , with free movement of people without payment , or back in fully, or crash out .
I suspect though come Tuesday, Hilary Ben's “no to no deal” amendment vote will stop the main vote anyway and its all back in the soup .
Lets be brave , and stop point scoring for personal political gain at the cost of peoples futures .
I can only apologies you are unable too get my drift, or my meandering and my limited abilities don't touch your intellect and presented comment .
Labour have set out a plan, but until they are in a position to negotiate with the EU there really isn't much point discussing its merit or lack thereof
One such interview in the Guardian was ambiguous and meandering as my posts , where JC spoke about an alternative deal with frictinlous trade, in a single market, at no extra costs.
Hows that possible , without free movement and not being in Europe.
Sorry I find that as fanciful as May's daft plan .
Again where is the alternative, or is this smoke and mirrors.
If Labour are not careful they could see a backlash at the polls, with the bloody Tories back in for another term .
Again, Labour be big , brave, and revolutionary as your leader used to be on the back benches.
And get another leader to face up to May .
So if I understand it you think May's deal and the Labour alternative (which somehow similtaneously exists and at the same time is smoke and mirrors) are equally fanciful. Some progress at least.
What about the people who told us we should leave the EU. Do they need to come up with a plan?
Think that's known , again not detail, but someting moronically simplistic , along the lines of (a) no deal (b) crash out , (c)take up WTO rules (d) prey.
Which makes all their, criticisms rather ironic.
Well the conspiracy could be to force a second referendum and overturn the first however.
What we do know, May does have an actual readable detailed document ( however bad it is ) we also know theres no alternative document , unless you can point me in the direction of one ?
In case my views are once again becoming meandering , which I am prone too do , the clue in all this, are the critical words :
A detailed ,readable ,alternative plan, published as an actual , document,seeking a solution .
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