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    Tammy Abraham

    Apparently we were close to getting him in the transfer window, probably only the premier League window closing first gave villa the edge.
    He's scored 10 in the last 10 games (7 in the last 4!)
    Do you think he would have been a success for us if he had come here? There are also rumours that Chelsea will recall him in January. Not sure whether that is to play him, or send him or loan him to a higher league

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    Apparently we were close to getting him in the transfer window, probably only the premier League window closing first gave villa the edge.
    He's scored 10 in the last 10 games (7 in the last 4!)
    Do you think he would have been a success for us if he had come here? There are also rumours that Chelsea will recall him in January. Not sure whether that is to play him, or send him or loan him to a higher league
    What's he like at holding the ball up? We're quite passive in midfield as our tackling stats suggest; we're happy enough to let the opposition have the ball then get it forward quickly to play on the break. Villa look like a side (when I've seen them lately) that can keep possession and get crosses into the box. If Abraham came here and was given too much of a defensive role, would he be able to be a success?

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    Apparently we were close to getting him in the transfer window, probably only the premier League window closing first gave villa the edge.
    He's scored 10 in the last 10 games (7 in the last 4!)
    Do you think he would have been a success for us if he had come here? There are also rumours that Chelsea will recall him in January. Not sure whether that is to play him, or send him or loan him to a higher league
    No, because we don't create chances. All our strikers are on a hiding to nothing and "tap in Tammy" is a good goalscorer and would probably do well for someone else but we need to sort our midfield out just as badly.

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    He wouldn’t have scored more than Paterson has for us. The system is the issue for me.

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    What's he like at holding the ball up? We're quite passive in midfield as our tackling stats suggest; we're happy enough to let the opposition have the ball then get it forward quickly to play on the break. Villa look like a side (when I've seen them lately) that can keep possession and get crosses into the box. If Abraham came here and was given too much of a defensive role, would he be able to be a success?
    From what I've seen he's tall and mobile, but still a bit on the gangley side.
    Not a pushover, but not going to beat up defenders either.

    That said if he was great at holding the up and prolific at scoring then he probably wouldn't be on loan at villa.

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    For Tammy Abraham, see Michael Chopra

    World beater in the championship, crap in the premier league.

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    Quote Originally Posted by Spooky Tree View Post
    For Tammy Abraham, see Michael Chopra

    World beater in the championship, crap in the premier league.
    He's only just turned 21. Give the lad a chance!

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    Can he playing midfield? We need another midfield player!

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    He's only just turned 21. Give the lad a chance!
    I mean, it's possible he could make the step up and be successful, look at Harry Kane, but Hudson-Odoi seems to be ahead of him at Chelsea and he's what, 3 years younger?

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    Quote Originally Posted by Spooky Tree View Post
    I mean, it's possible he could make the step up and be successful, look at Harry Kane, but Hudson-Odoi seems to be ahead of him at Chelsea and he's what, 3 years younger?
    How many of our other players would have been breaking into the Chelsea team at 18?

    Or even how many of Chelsea's current players would have been?

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    Quote Originally Posted by Spooky Tree View Post
    I mean, it's possible he could make the step up and be successful, look at Harry Kane, but Hudson-Odoi seems to be ahead of him at Chelsea and he's what, 3 years younger?
    Being good enough for Chelsea and being good enough for the Premier League are two very different things.

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    Being good enough for Chelsea and being good enough for the Premier League are two very different things.
    Care to elaborate on your point?

    Abraham is shipped out on loan season after season whereas Hudson-Odoi is on the fringes of the first team at Chelsea.

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    He was probably put off going back to South Wales by having to work in Swansea.

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    Quote Originally Posted by Spooky Tree View Post
    Care to elaborate on your point?

    Abraham is shipped out on loan season after season whereas Hudson-Odoi is on the fringes of the first team at Chelsea.
    Chelsea isn't the benchmark for Premier League quality. A lot of players such as Danny Drinkwater aren't good enough for Chelsea but would easily get in a lot of Prem sides. Just because they're playing at Chelsea, doesn't mean they're bad players.

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    For me Abraham is exactly what we need. He's not going to score lots because we don't create a lot but he's a threat in all areas needs to be bigger enough to score problems and quick enough to get behind and run channels. I would still play Patterson behind him

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    I don’t think lumping the ball to him is his game he’s more of a poacher who gets in good positions

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    He's only just turned 21. Give the lad a chance!
    indeed

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    Chose to go play beneath his level so he could bang the goals in, we don't need people with that little desire in the squad right now.

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Chose to go play beneath his level so he could bang the goals in, we don't need people with that little desire in the squad right now.
    It was more likely that the club made the decision than him

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Chose to go play beneath his level so he could bang the goals in, we don't need people with that little desire in the squad right now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    It was more likely that the club made the decision than him
    He's an asset on Chelsea's books and the value of that asset will increase more if he plays most weeks and scores 20+ in the championship, rather than being a bit part player for a PL club. Purely a business decision.

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    Quote Originally Posted by The Bloop View Post
    He's an asset on Chelsea's books and the value of that asset will increase more if he plays most weeks and scores 20+ in the championship, rather than being a bit part player for a PL club. Purely a business decision.
    Yeah last season at Swansea was a complete waste for him, they barely created anything and dropped him a lot despite him being their most potent threat. They were probably worried we would have been similar

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    Yeah last season at Swansea was a complete waste for him, they barely created anything and dropped him a lot despite him being their most potent threat. They were probably worried we would have been similar
    Agreed.

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Chose to go play beneath his level so he could bang the goals in, we don't need people with that little desire in the squad right now.
    However, his confidence is probably sky high at the moment. Yes, there's a step up to Premier League football, but it's easy to become deflated in a struggling side.

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    It was more likely that the club made the decision than him
    Ah probably true, just frustrating to see another decent young player completely wasted by a big club. Bring on the super league or some rules around player hoarding/constant loaning.

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    However, his confidence is probably sky high at the moment. Yes, there's a step up to Premier League football, but it's easy to become deflated in a struggling side.
    Our players don't look deflated, looks like a great team to be part of at the moment to me.

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    Re: Tammy Abraham

    It's a worry how young talent is treated and recruited in the Premiership, it's as if they are scooped up because the cash rich clubs have that spare cash capacity , and then they buy big global superstars who then suppress that youngsters talent within the club that has purchased them , then they are farmed out in some form of auction .

    I do wonder how those young minds cope with that process , of never really knowing who they belong too in the long term .

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