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I was just going to post that myself. Quite worrying.Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I wonder if these are the parents of the two players along with the player who made the original complaint who was released from City and was also released by FGR, who complained about Bellamy turning down the volume for the English national anthem, and complaining about Bellamy saying he did not like Bristol city and Swansea? Witch hunt going on here.
Fear not. It's just a witch hunt. Igovernor said so, and if ever there was a man with his finger on the pulse of the CCFC Academy, it's him.
[QUOTE=The Lone Gunman;4940829]Fear not. It's just a witch hunt. Igovernor said so, and if ever there was a man with his finger on the pulse of the CCFC Academy, it's him.
Typical reply of sometimes TLG i expected nothing less off the sarcastic sod think he knows it all
You're the one who apparently knows it all regarding CCFC's academy set-up.
first of all every football club has a welfare officer who's job it is to look after the well being of every child in the academy . when my lad was in it we were given the names of all contacts relating to each age group
I know it's only print we read on the link but why did the parents make complaints to an education officer in this case steve ellis when the club has a welfare officer ? Every parent is given a code of conduct by the club and what's expected by the club
as for rob cronick doing the investigation what a player he was back in the day . Mel Rees who has sadly passed away kept him out of he city set up as he was the same age but many people including myself thought he was a better keeper and should have got a pro contract somewhere
Worrying but should wait for the club to do their own review. If complaints were not acted upon, as seems possible, really does not paint us in a good light at all.
They're right. There is a real problem at Cardiff's academy. It's not produced a good player in years!
Generation snowflake , bless them . Probably not anywhere near the required level and having no discipline in schools , get a rollicking and cannot handle it .
How do we know that without any facts? It's obviously got some truth behind it as the club are still looking into it. Let's not pass judgement until we know everything. Far too often people label kids as snowflakes etc, when these are young lads, often away from home at 15,16 etc when an adult throwing his weight around could be seriously damaging to their development. There's a reason the biggest killer to men in the UK under 45 is suicide.
Exactly, if you broke wind walking past them these days they’d probably start to cry......
I dread to think what would happen if somebody tackled one of them on a football pitch, we'd probably be looking at restraining orders and requests for compensation.
Out of interest how old are you mate? Not having a dig, just wondering which famously tough generation you're part of and what this new one can learn from you guys
I bet you wouldn't say that to Norman Hunter, Dave MacKay, Ron "Chopper" Harris or Tommy Smith!
THIS
The Daily Heil article suggests it's inappropriate language from Jarrod Harvey (another coach) and Bellamy calling the lad a snitch for complaining about Jarrod Harvey. If that's the extent of the problem then it seems it really does mark out a massive generational gap between what used to be acceptable to motivate people and what is no longer acceptable.
Be interesting to see how this works out, but it does seem a bit trivial to potentially cost someone their living.
Quick question... In what workplace has it ever been acceptable to call a staff member a snitch for raising a complaint?
Laughable to think it's ever been ok
If you consider a football academy to be a workplace I agree. However I see training to become an elite athlete more akin to joining the armed forces - with all the unpleasant reality that accompanies that. However, systematic and continuous bullying is still not acceptable even here - but one-off incidents should be treated as such in my view.
I'd consider my son was being let down if they weren't being prepared for the fact that their workplace requires a degree of thick skin to be able to be successful. Not saying that's how it should ideally be, but the fact is that a lot of your competition are going to be real mean characters and if you don't learn how to deal with it growing up then you're better off not wasting your time IMO
Alternatively we can just pretend that everyone is lovely to each other and continue to fail to produce the players AND characters needed to be successful in the modern game.
In sport, football.
Presume you agree that swearing at an employee is gross misconduct too. You'd end up with whole squads bringing claims ....
If someone has made a complaint, it should be dealt with . If Bellamy and/or Harvey have made a kid feel bullied, they should have spoken to the kid, said this is why x,y,z happened, with someone else senior present and gone over it, after Bellamy/Harvey were spoken to first and reminded of their responsibilites (or if more serious been removed from their posts). This is supposed to be a talented youngster, that's the reason he's in the academy in the first place. This apparently hasn't happened, and Bellamy has made the kid's life worse, so nobody else would dare accuse Bellamy or Harvey of anything again. If you saw your mate getting frozen out after complaining, and you want a career in football, you shut up. It isn't physical abuse but lots of kids knew about Bennell etc but didn't say, because all they wanted to be was a footballer. Bellamy and Harvey are in positions of power, they can shape a kid's dream.
We don't know if it happened, or what the club found out but I'm sick of people being told that kids are too soft etc. So what if they are? Football and the world are changing, and in my experience there's no bigger snowflakes than 50 year old men like Piers Morgan who lose their shit over trivial bollocks like vegan sausage rolls.
I completely support your view over the insidious nature of bullying, and if there is a culture of bullying it needs to be stopped - no matter who is doing it, as it's counter-productive to all concerned.
I can't agree with your comment on 'so what if they are?' I watch players being bullied on the professional football pitch in every game I watch - whether it's physical or mental bullying. It's a competitive game. If they can't cope with that they won't survive.
Life is not fair and rarely played by rules. Better to find out you aren't cut out to be a footballer earlier rather than later, having wasted some of the most crucial years of your life aiming for something you'll never reach. The discussion should be what is acceptable in teaching young kids that professional football is tough and therefore they must be too, and at what stages are they ready to learn this lesson?
Completely agree about Piers Morgan by the way...
referees could take practically every player to court for bullying the amount of abuse they take
Armed forces?
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