I've just been speaking to a light aircraft pilot and they were aghast at the circumstances (35-year-old, single-engine plane, part-time pilot, in winter, at night) of this flight.
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I've just been speaking to a light aircraft pilot and they were aghast at the circumstances (35-year-old, single-engine plane, part-time pilot, in winter, at night) of this flight.
It means they think they’re dead. It’s no longer a rescue.Originally Posted by Der Kaiser
Would like to also pass my thoughts onto Mr Ibbotson and his family/friends, he must have been in a terrifying situation and I am sure he did everything in his power to protect the life of his passenger, unfortunately if there are failures in safety management as we all know they usually fall higher up in the chain.
An inexperienced pilot and a 24 year old plane owned by an agent who would probably have made millions from the transfer deal and 2 presumed deaths. The agent will have questions to answer when all this unravels. It's too early for recriminations but at some point supporters will feel angry about why Sala was allowed to be transported in this way. Certainly there will be questions to be answered when the time is right.
RNLI boat now docked in Alderney Harbour and the SAR helicopter heading back to the South Coast.
I've been tracking most of the vehicles throughout the day (in between not doing much work) and in fairness they are covering a lot of sea. It is a big old sea though and I'm just not feeling optimistic anymore.
Losing faith and getting angry as to why this has happened.
Anger is going to kick in after grief, I trust the club to back his family both financially & spiritually in the quest to find out the why & wherefores of this tragedy. I know it’s early days for the likes of me to shout the odds but it seems a right Micky Mouse way for anyone to fly at night across the English Channel in winter having heard a description of the aircraft, rephrase that it’s a right Micky Mouse way for anyone to fly anywhere in the thing. Hope when the dust settles there’ll be appropriate action taken, the whole travel procedure was completely & utterly amateur, I despair.
I agree I went on one of these flights back in September very cheap to hire on out, and I would not fly out in either tne dark or winter, someone should took charge of tne situation in hindsight
The search has been suspended for tonight and a decision will be made tomorrow whether they continue the search.
Gut feeling says they won’t go for another search.
Would’ve been 60 hours by the time they go again.
Always amazes me how in this day anything can just go missing. Hope seems to have been completely lost if it of course wasn't last night.
It is, isn’t it. Not sure if it’s a busy part of the channel but you’d have thought that every ship/boat in the area would have been radioed to keep a look out for any signs, yet no reports of anything. As I say I don’t know if there is much traffic around the suspected area.
There are nearly 63,000 viewings of this thread which is astonishing. Has anything been said by Sala’s agent? It looks like he has questions to answer.
Didn't know we had McKays kids at the club
He has, the club has been quite forthcoming, there was the speculation that the plane belonged to Vincent Tan, this was nipped in the bud quite quickly. It’s been stated that the flight had been arranged by the agent, even now that the plane was owned by a person involved in the deal. The silence is deafening, advice obviously being taken before making a statement. Very early, raw days yet explanations will be needed pretty soon, the whole procedure seemed to be risky. Two men, only one a pilot, flying over the English Channel on a January night, it’s akin to a POW escape story. The whole scenario is extremely surreal.
As others have said there is no way I would set foot on a light aircraft particularly on an evening in the middle of winter. It just seemed so unnecessary.
i very much doubt i would get on an aircraft like that flying from Cardiff to Birmingham on a glorious sunny day least of all travelling from Nantes to Cardiff in the middle of winter and at night
i remember travelling from Cardiff to dublin on an Air Cymru twin propelled plane and that was bad enough
when i saw the plane he was travelling in , i just thought to myself why the **** would you get on that travelling that sort of distance
a glib comment, but actually pretty accurate..
so sad so so gutting...
clutching for any glimmer of a miracle but deep down i think we all know...
Was in two minds to make this comment as it does sound a bit ‘throwaway’ but thank you AQM for taking it in the context I intended. The more I think about the whole thing surrounding the trip, the more and more dumbfounded I am that it actually happened and was allowed to happen.
So it would now appear that our £15m record signing was being flown to Cardiff in a 35 year old piston aircraft at night ,in known icing conditions ,over water, in the depth of winter by a gas engineer who does parachute dropping on the weekends.
He held no commercial flying licence, had no instrument rating to allow him to fly in the airway system in controlled airspace,and in cloud if required.
He also admitted his instrument flying skills were at best “rusty”
Probably No immersion suits were being worn which they should have been for such a flight. I doubt he was even wearing a life jacket.
At best he was an enthusiastic amateur yet was entrusted by Emilio's agent to fly him to his new home despite being woefully under qualified to do so.
As a professsional pilot words fail me.
The more I read about the tragic event , the more I’m equally saddened and angry about how this situation was allowed to happen and I would also question the legality of the flight especially If the pilot had received payment to operate the flight on the agents behalf.
Illegal on an aircraft operated on a private certificate of airworthiness category,and by a pilot who only held a private pilots licence.
If proved true this will have further implications for the aircrafts owner.
In order to save a few pennies the players agent has failed in his duty of care for his client.
The whole shoddy affair reeks of rank amateurism.
Emilio and his family deserved better.
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Good Evening All
A lifetime Jack here but I felt compelled to post on here to express my total shock, disbelief but subsequently anger at this absolute tragic event and loss of life which would, on the face of it, appear to have been 100% avoidable and unnecessary.
I guess that until the wreckage/Black Box (if they had one on this apparently totally inadequate aircraft) is located and until a formal Air Crash investigation is concluded there will be many ‘theories’ etc as to what actually happened, the whys & wherefores as to who to ‘pin the blame on’ as it were.
Just like in any family bereavement, we all go through these emotions of sorrow, grief, disbelief, guilt and blame to ‘help’ us deal with the grieving process which is quite normal.
I just feel that right here and now the thoughts and prayers of all us ‘football fans’ should lie with Emiliano’s family and the family of the pilot who will be grieving most of all.
The rest can wait for another day.
God Bless you Both
A Swansea Jack
https://www.skysports.com/football/n...ff-for-the-dayShortly before the decision was made to end the search for the day on Wednesday, Sky Sports News spoke to Cardiff City chairman Mehmet Dalman, who is in France.
Dalman has been attempting to piece together the timeline of events that led up to Sala's plane going missing over the English Channel and he confirmed that the Premier League club's offer to provide travel arrangements to bring Sala to Cardiff was declined by the player.
"We have looked into this quite thoroughly and it is quite evident that Cardiff has the responsibility to offer the player to make arrangements [for travel], which will be commercial flights," Dalman told SSN.
"That would have meant taking the train from Nantes to Paris, then Paris to Heathrow, then drive down [to Cardiff].
"The player's reaction to that was that he wanted to make his own arrangements which would be much quicker."
When asked for clarification over whether Sala had decided to make his own travel arrangements, Dalman added: "I believe so, everything points to that fact. Whether he did it from Nantes' point of view or with his agent, we are trying to ascertain that."
Mark McKay, one of Sala's intermediaries involved in the deal to bring him from Nantes to Cardiff, also stated he was involved in the player's travel arrangements.
"I can confirm that when Emiliano made myself and his agent Meissa N'Diaye aware that he wished to travel back to Nantes following his medical and signing on Friday, I began to look into arranging a private flight to take him to Nantes on Saturday morning," McKay said in a statement.
"That evening, it was confirmed a plane was available to fly Emiliano on Saturday which could remain in Nantes until he was due to return to Cardiff on Tuesday.
"I have been in contact with officials from Cardiff City FC and the player's agent over these difficult past few days and will continue to do so."
So hard to take when this was so unavoidable
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.co...in-unanswered/Who was on the plane?
The fact that Sala was on the flight is no longer in doubt. But the number of people on the flight remains uncertain. 20 Minutes are able to confirm that there were only two people aboard the plane: Emiliano Sala and the pilot. The latter individual was Dave Ibbotson, a 60-year-old Englishman from Leeds who has 3 children and is a gas engineer by trade.
He flew planes for several sky diving clubs in the United Kingdom and his YouTube account shows him flying planes in 2012. But the fact that he was flying the plane and why is a mystery: he was not registered on the flight manifest that was received by Nantes airport, according to 20 Minutes.
Was a second pilot due to be on the plane?
On Monday night, three people passed security checks at the Nantes-Atlantique airport. All three individuals were on the tarmac together. Only one pilot boarded the plane, Dave Ibbotson, who was not initially due to be on the plane. The third man, who was registered to be on the plane, is understood to have been Dave Henderson, a very experienced pilot, who did not get on the flight.
Why didn’t he? On Tuesday, Dave Henderson posted a message on his Facebook account making it clear that he was still alive. This Wednesday morning, most likely because of the abuse he was receiving online, he deactivated his account. Several people close to Henderson have told the BBC that he was neither in Nantes nor in France.
Who owned the plane?
The plane, a type of Piper Malibu, delivered in 1984, was given the registration N264DB in England. Cardiff City deny having been behind the flight: “We asked the player if he wanted us to make arrangements for his flight which, quite frankly, would have been a commercial flight,” said club president Mehmet Dalman, quoted by Wales Online. “He refused and made his own arrangements. I do not know who organised the flight, but it’s definitely not Cardiff City.” According to The Times, the plane is owned by a famous football agent, Willie McKay, who has a close relationship with the Welsh club. 20 Minutes have been able to confirm as much and McKay was also behind brokering the deal between Cardiff & Nantes.
I wonder what the response of anyone taking a flight across water to wear an immersion suit would have been.
It puts the risks into perspective and wholly unjustifiable in 2019.
Someone let Sala, his parents and his family down in the worst possible way.
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