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    So you want to stay in the EU?


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    Yep👍

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    I donít see why people are up in arms about his outburst

    ďWhat that special place in hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit, without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it out safelyĒ

    Whatís wrong with that? At the moment in a month we will be cut out of any of the eu intelligence and tracking of criminals and terrorists unless we negotiate a deal, is that the sort of safety people want?

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    What does the second link have anything to do with the 1st?

    Tusk is right, irrespective of whether you voted in or out you should be pissed off that the government didn't have a plan to deal with the outcome. It was completely irresponsible and unforgivable.

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    Igovener, could you explain to me why youíre desperate to leave the EU? And why those 2 links you posted have pissed you off? Please

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    The OP is the exact sort of person the media can whip into a frenzy with their propaganda. And the archetypal brexitier.

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    Tusk is unelected. If you want to get rid of him you can't through the ballot box as in a normal democracy. Fundamentally the EU is undemocratic in the sense that no voters in any single country can have any say in the EU's plans, policies or unelected people like Tusk. All Tusk wants to do is keep his comfortable and cosy club intact and is affronted by the audacity of the UK voting to leave. When Tusk meets May he will be all sweetness and light but as soon as she is out of earshot disrespect her - and accordingly the UK. He is impolite at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    I donít see why people are up in arms about his outburst

    ďWhat that special place in hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit, without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it out safelyĒ

    Whatís wrong with that? At the moment in a month we will be cut out of any of the eu intelligence and tracking of criminals and terrorists unless we negotiate a deal, is that the sort of safety people want?
    Ah! but out means out, donít you know🤪🤪🤪🤪 the Brexiteers have created one of the biggest shitstorms this countryís ever witnessed, barring war. In my 60s so limited impact on me I hope, but what the future holds, Christ knows?

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    An y chance this thread could be moved to the politics forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    Ah! but out means out, donít you know🤪🤪🤪🤪 the Brexiteers have created one of the biggest shitstorms this countryís ever witnessed, barring war. In my 60s so limited impact on me I hope, but what the future holds, Christ knows?
    People donít want to hear it but unless some serious negotiation happens in the next month this country is going to be in a state for quite a while.

    I dread to think the effect this is going to have on South Wales and the Valleys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    Tusk is unelected. If you want to get rid of him you can't through the ballot box as in a normal democracy. Fundamentally the EU is undemocratic in the sense that no voters in any single country can have any say in the EU's plans, policies or unelected people like Tusk. All Tusk wants to do is keep his comfortable and cosy club intact and is affronted by the audacity of the UK voting to leave. When Tusk meets May he will be all sweetness and light but as soon as she is out of earshot disrespect her - and accordingly the UK. He is impolite at best.
    Howís he disrespected the UK? Tusk is sticking up for the citizens of the U.K. surely?

    Tusk is a known Anglophile ffs, he doesnít hate the U.K. he loves it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    Tusk is unelected. If you want to get rid of him you can't through the ballot box as in a normal democracy. Fundamentally the EU is undemocratic in the sense that no voters in any single country can have any say in the EU's plans, policies or unelected people like Tusk. All Tusk wants to do is keep his comfortable and cosy club intact and is affronted by the audacity of the UK voting to leave. When Tusk meets May he will be all sweetness and light but as soon as she is out of earshot disrespect her - and accordingly the UK. He is impolite at best.
    Unelected you say.
    Just like the scores of civil servants working on the Brexit deal.

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    Donald Tusk is President of the European Council and was elected to that post by the European Council who consist of the Leaders of all of the member states, who were elected by the general population of each country.

    Jean Claude Juncker is the President of the European Commission and was elected by the MEPs, who were elected by the general population of each country.

    So tell me again how these people are unelected?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    Tusk is unelected. If you want to get rid of him you can't through the ballot box as in a normal democracy. Fundamentally the EU is undemocratic in the sense that no voters in any single country can have any say in the EU's plans, policies or unelected people like Tusk. All Tusk wants to do is keep his comfortable and cosy club intact and is affronted by the audacity of the UK voting to leave. When Tusk meets May he will be all sweetness and light but as soon as she is out of earshot disrespect her - and accordingly the UK. He is impolite at best.
    The English have their Queen, the House of Lords and their State religion - none of them are elected are they ?

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    Yes, nice to see someone giving a shit about the people of this country, ironic that it comes from someone not born here.

    Someone who cares more than the traitorous ERG lot more interested in creating a low tax low regualation haven for their unscrupulous right wing mates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    I don’t see why people are up in arms about his outburst

    “What that special place in hell looks like for those who promoted Brexit, without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it out safely

    What’s wrong with that? At the moment in a month we will be cut out of any of the eu intelligence and tracking of criminals and terrorists unless we negotiate a deal, is that the sort of safety people want?
    Are you thinking that the UK would not be able to monitor its own deplorables, or will not be able to monitor any deplorables over the water? I would guess that MI5/MI6 are some of the most revered intelligence experts in the world, and that capability of GCHQ is second to none, they and it were good enough to monitor the other mad Donald.

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    These right wing Tories are such snowflakes. The compare the EU to Nazis or Stalinists or as the enemy and yet when they get a bit back they get all uppity. Tusk is right so **** them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelsonca61 View Post
    Are you thinking that the UK would not be able to monitor its own deplorables, or will not be able to monitor any deplorables over the water? I would guess that MI5/MI6 are some of the most revered intelligence experts in the world, and that capability of GCHQ is second to none, they and it were good enough to monitor the other mad Donald.
    I think you donít understand it at all tbh pal, we rely on that data massively and wonít be able to access it.

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    Tusk sounds like a man rattled ,when someone reverts to insults or name calling it's usually seen as a sign they are losing the debate ,see lots of this on this board, folk just get nasty when cornered . I'm sure the Brexiteers will respond and Jeremy (gosh why pick on JC he's been very quiet throughout out this deal, keeping himself to himself ,staying away from divisions and discussion on the matter ,bloody European bully boys )

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Tusk sounds like a man rattled ,when someone reverts to insults or name calling it's usually seen as a sign they are losing the debate ,see lots of this on this board, folk just get nasty when cornered . I'm sure the Brexiteers will respond and Jeremy (gosh why pick on JC he's been very quiet throughout out this deal, keeping himself to himself ,staying away from divisions and discussion on the matter ,bloody European bully boys )
    Iíd say heís every right to be irritated with a government that agreed to a withdrawal agreement then decided to seek alternative arrangements

    (Whatever the hell that means)

    As for the Brexiters responding it was the usual Ill inforned, resorting to cliches and lots of coverage of their faux outrage.

    They still havenít come up with a plan either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    I think you donít understand it at all tbh pal, we rely on that data massively and wonít be able to access it.

    OK Chum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelsonca61 View Post
    OK Chum.
    How do the USA access this information? We are on the system as them. Are the EU going to stop cooperating with the 5i's? It sounds bizarre that they would do that.

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    Typical remainers spouting info that is not true, lets carry on letting criminals and terrorists into this country, and tell everyone that it is going to be a disaster when we come out, we voted by a majority to come out, all you remainers get over it, bunch of sore losers who are throwing their toys out of their prams!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    How do the USA access this information? We are on the system as them. Are the EU going to stop cooperating with the 5i's? It sounds bizarre that they would do that.
    You'll have to ask Crossy, he's got his finger on the pulse with this one although i not sure considered F eyes with his analysis, I thought that the UK was one of the net contributors to intelligence gathering, I was obviously mistaken. Interpol/Europol is where its at now.
    Donald #2 does sound a bit bizarre, if I had been on mars for the past two years and this was the 1st bit of news on returning home I'd swear he's a brexiteer, he's done more for the leave campaign in one sentence than the rest of them put together over two years, I was hedging for a 2nd vote last night but thinking it would go the same way, after his outburst today I think it would be an increased majority. More importantly when is the porn video of AOC being released

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    How do the USA access this information? We are on the system as them. Are the EU going to stop cooperating with the 5i's? It sounds bizarre that they would do that.
    We would be ill advised to give them Yanks all our information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Igovernor View Post
    Typical remainers spouting info that is not true, lets carry on letting criminals and terrorists into this country, and tell everyone that it is going to be a disaster when we come out, we voted by a majority to come out, all you remainers get over it, bunch of sore losers who are throwing their toys out of their prams!
    Or just sensible people who donít want to see the economy tank because of a load of bullshit spouted on the side of a red bus.

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    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by trampie09 View Post
    We would be ill advised to give them Yanks all our information.
    I think they might already have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I think they might already have it.
    Yes just one more reason why the UK is finished.

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    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by trampie09 View Post
    Yes just one more reason why the UK is finished.
    The UK, US, Canada, Australia and NZ operate an integrated system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trampie09 View Post
    We would be ill advised to give them Yanks all our information.
    US elections suggested that the UK along with their fives eyes partners are sub servient to the alphabet agencies of the US.
    Head of GCHQ stepped down immediately with the Trump inauguration. If he does declass FISA, I don't think the UK will
    come out smelling of roses. Maybe even her Maj will have a bit of explaining to do.

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