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  1. #91

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by rs3100 View Post
    Donald Tusk is President of the European Council and was elected to that post by the European Council who consist of the Leaders of all of the member states, who were elected by the general population of each country.

    Jean Claude Juncker is the President of the European Commission and was elected by the MEPs, who were elected by the general population of each country.

    So tell me again how these people are unelected?
    You tell me how members of the UK public or indeed any member of the EU voting public can vote him out. If we don't like Theresa may we can vote her out at a General Election; we can't do that with Tusk or any EU Commissioner. That civil service post by another poster is nonsense as civil servants don't make decisions; they simply advise Ministers.

  2. #92

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Welsh territory at one time encompassed the whole of Britain up to the central belt of Scotland.
    https://twitter.com/DEADLIVEUK/statu...59568507211777

    When Wales last had self rule they ruled an area greater than the current borders of Wales.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruffydd_ap_Llywelyn

    This was agreed in 1405 and probably should be the map today.
    https://twitter.com/welshnotbritish/...71350339911681

  3. #93

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    Doesn't Wales take more out the UK pot than it puts in?
    Wales is currently subsidising old English people that are a drain on our services and England does compensate Wales for it, also Wales has been raped over centuries of its resources with profits often going to England, Wales supposed to be part of the UK state and should therefore get adequate funding from central Government but it doesn't, that is why the EU designated that large parts of Wales should get funding off the EU.

    If Wales ever got independence I think reparations would be in order, not that there would be much chance of that, lol.

  4. #94

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Meant to say doesn't compensate.

  5. #95

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  6. #96

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2 View Post
    Iíd say heís every right to be irritated with a government that agreed to a withdrawal agreement then decided to seek alternative arrangements

    (Whatever the hell that means)

    As for the Brexiters responding it was the usual Ill inforned, resorting to cliches and lots of coverage of their faux outrage.

    They still havenít come up with a plan either.
    I saw somewhere that the agreement was only ratified when the British and European parliaments had approved it.

    Since our parliament hasn't is Junker right when he says they will not reopen the treaty?

    Has it actually been "closed" ( if that is the right term)?

  7. #97

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nelsonca61 View Post
    Touche!

  8. #98

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    The America feeds the UK intelligence too. During the Falklands War they were helping us behind the scenes whilst conveying a more neutral stance on the world stage.
    Without the Yanks we'd be buggered.

    And Wales would be rudderless without England.

    Why cant we just be proud of our Isles .

  9. #99

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nelsonca61 View Post
    So the EU should have bailed out Britain's banks? That was a British decision made by Labour and fully endorsed by the Conservatives.

  10. #100

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    But Wales is just a constituent part of the UK. The same scenario happens in other countries where particular regions may vote in a contrary way to the major conurbations.
    (including your other comments) Should Wales just take English rule up the arse without giving its voters much say?

  11. #101

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    (including your other comments) Should Wales just take English rule up the arse without giving its voters much say?
    What say do voters in Wales not have that voters in Cornwall or Cumbria do? Or are those two regions highly implicated in the 'English' rule that you mention? In fact, neither of those two regions have a regional assembly.

  12. #102

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    What say do voters in Wales not have that voters in Cornwall or Cumbria do? Or are those two regions highly implicated in the 'English' rule that you mention? In fact, neither of those two regions have a regional assembly.
    As West Wales and the Valleys are joined by Cornwall, Lincolnshire, Durham, South Yorkshire and Tees Valley as the poorest regions of the UK it's obviously not a binary England v Wales thing as typified by some on here.

  13. #103

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    As West Wales and the Valleys are joined by Cornwall, Lincolnshire, Durham, South Yorkshire and Tees Valley as the poorest regions of the UK it's obviously not a binary England v Wales thing as typified by some on here.
    This happens in every country on earth some area's are poorer than others, in our country for many years the backbone has been the areas of London , Manchester and Birmingham including their inner and outer districts , the success and wealth of those areas over the centuries have sustained and provided for the less successful regions and areas of the UK , let's just be grateful and nice about it , what's wrong with being as one .

  14. #104

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    This happens in every country on earth some area's are poorer than others, in our country for many years the backbone has been the areas of London , Manchester and Birmingham including their inner and outer districts , the success and wealth of those areas over the centuries have sustained and provided for the less successful regions and areas of the UK , let's just be grateful and nice about it , what's wrong with being as one .
    As someone that lives in one these successful parts of the UK I expect a bit more respect from you serflike peasants in the future.

  15. #105

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    As someone that lives in one these successful parts of the UK I expect a bit more respect from you serflike peasants in the future.
    How do you know where I live, you a snooping or trolling me again, it's great being able to get you to bite ,its sooooo easy , been to many City games this year , lol .

  16. #106

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    It makes me laugh when I hear Brexiteers talk about unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.
    In any given General Election my vote counts for nothing. A pig wearing a blue rosette would walk it. So how in any way is that democratic?

  17. #107

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pearcey3 View Post
    It makes me laugh when I hear Brexiteers talk about unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.
    In any given General Election my vote counts for nothing. A pig wearing a blue rosette would walk it. So how in any way is that democratic?
    I wonder how many laws have originated in unelected think tanks before going through our parliament.

  18. #108

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by trampie09 View Post
    Welsh territory at one time encompassed the whole of Britain up to the central belt of Scotland.
    https://twitter.com/DEADLIVEUK/statu...59568507211777

    When Wales last had self rule they ruled an area greater than the current borders of Wales.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruffydd_ap_Llywelyn

    This was agreed in 1405 and probably should be the map today.
    https://twitter.com/welshnotbritish/...71350339911681
    I just hope that you don't have a similar experience to Spike Lee. He justifiably had a huge chip on his shoulder regarding slavery and the plight of the black man in the United States....only to discover that he descended from a slave owner. Racial purity rarely stands up to scrutiny.

  19. #109

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by trampie09 View Post
    Welsh territory at one time encompassed the whole of Britain up to the central belt of Scotland.
    https://twitter.com/DEADLIVEUK/statu...59568507211777

    When Wales last had self rule they ruled an area greater than the current borders of Wales.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruffydd_ap_Llywelyn

    This was agreed in 1405 and probably should be the map today.
    https://twitter.com/welshnotbritish/...71350339911681
    I just hope that you don't have a similar experience to Spike Lee. He justifiably had a huge chip on his shoulder regarding slavery and the plight of the black man in the United States....only to discover that he descended from a slave owner.

  20. #110

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    I don't have a chip on my shoulder, I think all people are equal and that nationality is an accident of birth, people don't know their Welsh history because the powers that be deliberately keep it hidden and state education teach next to no Welsh history.

  21. #111

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by trampie09 View Post
    I don't have a chip on my shoulder, I think all people are equal and that nationality is an accident of birth, people don't know their Welsh history because the powers that be deliberately keep it hidden and state education teach next to no Welsh history.
    Thankfully, I had the option of learning Welsh history as 20% of the syllabus and it did leave a huge impression on me. In fact, I never miss the opportunity to take friends from other countries to St. Fagan's and introduce them to the history of subjigation Rebecca riots etc. However, I have had close links to England, Germany and Japan and realise that life has moved on.
    By the way, the film 'Zulu' was on TV yesterday......

  22. #112

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    So the EU should have bailed out Britain's banks? That was a British decision made by Labour and fully endorsed by the Conservatives.
    I think Yanis Varoufakis the ex Greek finance minister was referring to the Eurodebt crisis not the British bail out Eric!

  23. #113

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    Thankfully, I had the option of learning Welsh history as 20% of the syllabus and it did leave a huge impression on me. In fact, I never miss the opportunity to take friends from other countries to St. Fagan's and introduce them to the history of subjigation Rebecca riots etc. However, I have had close links to England, Germany and Japan and realise that life has moved on.
    By the way, the film 'Zulu' was on TV yesterday......
    Wales has some astonishing history as dies the rest if our wonderful British Isles.

  24. #114

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Wow 'no deal' still a possibility, the UK might well disintegrate if 'no deal' comes to pass, it might be for the best in the long run for the Celtic countries but will Westminster mp's step back from the cliff edge ?

  25. #115

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Welsh and Scottish finance ministers currently in with the chief sec of the Treasury to see if EU cash will be replaced ?

  26. #116

    Re: So you want to stay in the EU?

    Quote Originally Posted by trampie09 View Post
    Welsh and Scottish finance ministers currently in with the chief sec of the Treasury to see if EU cash will be replaced ?
    I should imagine it will be a resounding yes

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