So you want to stay in the EU?

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Thinking about the subject in hand, I calculated that, in the EU referendum, of those that voted, once England reached 60% in favour one way or another, the rest of the UK could have voted 100% the opposite way, yet England would have won.

I think this is an issue that needs to be addressed in future referenda. Because of its size, what England wants, it gets. That means the rest of the UK has, in reality, little say. England is never going to agree to diminish its say within the UK, yet that marginalises the rest of the UK.

But Wales is just a constituent part of the UK. The same scenario happens in other countries where particular regions may vote in a contrary way to the major conurbations.

[trampie09]

But Wales is just a constituent part of the UK. The same scenario happens in other countries where particular regions may vote in a contrary way to the major conurbations.

Wales is more than just a constituent part of the UK, Wales is a country.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Wales is more than just a constituent part of the UK, Wales is a country.

The word 'country' has several meanings. Wales is not an independent nation state and is simply a constituent part of the UK.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

There are many parts of Europe that were once nation states or statelets in the past but which aren't now.

Wales isn't even on the Wikipedia list of them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...vereign_states

[trampie09]

Welsh territory at one time encompassed the whole of Britain up to the central belt of Scotland.
https://twitter.com/DEADLIVEUK/statu...59568507211777

When Wales last had self rule they ruled an area greater than the current borders of Wales.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruffydd_ap_Llywelyn

This was agreed in 1405 and probably should be the map today.
https://twitter.com/welshnotbritish/...71350339911681

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Welsh territory at one time encompassed the whole of Britain up to the central belt of Scotland.
https://twitter.com/DEADLIVEUK/statu...59568507211777

When Wales last had self rule they ruled an area greater than the current borders of Wales.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruffydd_ap_Llywelyn

This was agreed in 1405 and probably should be the map today.
https://twitter.com/welshnotbritish/...71350339911681

I just hope that you don't have a similar experience to Spike Lee. He justifiably had a huge chip on his shoulder regarding slavery and the plight of the black man in the United States....only to discover that he descended from a slave owner. Racial purity rarely stands up to scrutiny.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

But Wales is just a constituent part of the UK. The same scenario happens in other countries where particular regions may vote in a contrary way to the major conurbations.

(including your other comments) Should Wales just take English rule up the arse without giving its voters much say?

[Taunton Blue Genie]

(including your other comments) Should Wales just take English rule up the arse without giving its voters much say?

What say do voters in Wales not have that voters in Cornwall or Cumbria do? Or are those two regions highly implicated in the 'English' rule that you mention? In fact, neither of those two regions have a regional assembly.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

What say do voters in Wales not have that voters in Cornwall or Cumbria do? Or are those two regions highly implicated in the 'English' rule that you mention? In fact, neither of those two regions have a regional assembly.

As West Wales and the Valleys are joined by Cornwall, Lincolnshire, Durham, South Yorkshire and Tees Valley as the poorest regions of the UK it's obviously not a binary England v Wales thing as typified by some on here.