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Thread: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

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    "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...emiliano-sala/

    Previous Sala flights arranged by the agent 'were not on the fatal crash plane'

    He asked David Henderson to make all the arrangements - time Henderson said something methinks

    Claims he didn't know whether Ibbotson was licensed to make commercial flights or had been paid more than expenses'

    AAIB interim report delayed until next week.

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    Quote Originally Posted by Cowbridge Blue View Post
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...emiliano-sala/

    Previous Sala flights arranged by the agent 'were not on the fatal crash plane'

    He asked David Henderson to make all the arrangements - time Henderson said something methinks

    Claims he didn't know whether Ibbotson was licensed to make commercial flights or had been paid more than expenses'

    AAIB interim report delayed until next week.
    I wish someone would throw the scumbag under a bus.

    But from a responsibility view this paragraph is telling
    “I organised his flight. I tried to help him. They never tried to help him.

    They booked him one room at the St David’s Hotel [in Cardiff]. That’s all they’ve done for him.”

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    DODGEY AS FCUK ......... I hope they come down really Hard on that Tw@t. That email he sent to Sala says it all

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    Quote Originally Posted by rs3100 View Post
    I wish someone would throw the scumbag under a bus.

    But from a responsibility view this paragraph is telling
    “I organised his flight. I tried to help him. They never tried to help him.

    They booked him one room at the St David’s Hotel [in Cardiff]. That’s all they’ve done for him.”
    That's a change of tune after the "I don't care about you" email that got leaked earlier

    The rat trying to play the victim card here and, ironically, throw the club under the bus

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    He's happy to use his sons as a front for his business activities and take a sizeable cut as a result. Not so happy to take responsibility for his actions. I wonder whether the club would have a case for corporate manslaughter, or similar. The chain of command ends with McKay Snr.

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    Shows his lack of compassion, by using a phrase such as
    " being thrown under a bus" after someone has died in a plane crash , just shows his level of intelligence, thought and care .

    I hate agents, they should be outlawed right across football ,they lack decency.

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    Sounds like he’s sh*tting himself and knows he’s going to get it in the end. Let’s hope he does, the worm.

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Shows his lack of compassion, by using a phrase such as
    " being thrown under a bus" after someone has died in a plane crash , just shows his level of intelligence, thought and care .

    I hate agents, they should be outlawed right across football ,they lack decency.
    Come on, that's a hell of a stretch. It's more than fair enough to say many disparaging things about McKay and the way he has behaved in all of this, but to compare that comment to what happened with Sala is ridiculous.

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    Doesn’t come across well, and if anything has dug himself in deepervwith these comments..but if he was so dodgy then why were his 2 lads at the club and why were we doing deals with him ?

    It’s also pretty awful having all this in the papers day after day. Imagine how his family must feel ?

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    "McKay said he routinely funded the flights and hotels of players he was contracted to sell – and even managers he was trying to sell them to – listing the practice among “gambles” he took in the hope of securing a lucrative payday."

    Isn't he shooting himself here, given that he is apparently banned from being an agent. He is virtually admitting he is fully involved in the deals the way I read that.

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    "McKay said he routinely funded the flights and hotels of players he was contracted to sell – and even managers he was trying to sell them to – listing the practice among “gambles” he took in the hope of securing a lucrative payday."

    Isn't he shooting himself here, given that he is apparently banned from being an agent. He is virtually admitting he is fully involved in the deals the way I read that.
    I bet cardiff are thinking keep digging willie keep digging!

    After what warnock has said about mckay publicly and now this from mckay- one can only wonder what is being said in private. What a tragic story all round.

    Maybe im being unfair as i dont know that much really about willie mckay- but everything i hear him say or read about him seems to make me angry.

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    Quote Originally Posted by Father Dougal View Post
    I bet cardiff are thinking keep digging willie keep digging!

    After what warnock has said about mckay publicly and now this from mckay- one can only wonder what is being said in private. What a tragic story all round.

    Maybe im being unfair as i dont know that much really about willie mckay- but everything i hear him say or read about him seems to make me angry.
    The way i see it is that Mckay was likely to profit through the sala Transfer-If he's been declared bankrupt then that's wrong-isn't it? So he orchestrated a deal or certainly stimulated a deal between City and Nantes by spreading fake rumours over the demand of Sala-Can't say that i see anything wrong with that, it's probably common practice across the globe with players and football agents. The other thing he does is offer a free flight for Sala with an incredibly experienced pilot and allows both Sala and the pilot to sort it out between themselves-Still can't see anything wrong-the obvious issue is the sub contracting of ibbotson with his questionable credentials. Can we blame Mckay for that? I'm only going on what i've read, Mckay certainly wouldn't be on my christmas card list going on what i can see of his character, but we can't just assume that he has been negligent simply because he ticks all of the boxes of a pantomime villain. Sure, he sounds dodgy and shouldn't have been trading but it doesn't automatically mean that the services he provided or requested were completely his responsibility. Surely the club would've known his situation and surely they would've known that he was involved in the deal, if so then why didn't the club show some concern over his involvement initially and why are his two sons involved with the club when they have absolutely no chance of getting near the first team-Is it because the club thought that he was a good bloke to have 'on side' again, not really a problem, although it shows how football works at this level. There's fingers in pies right across the board in my opinion.

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    I'm not sure anything will happen to McKay. He's your typical agent, in the background, into everything. It's a dodgy profession in our game and he fits the bill.

    Is he an aviation expert? Did he organise for that particular plane to be flown at that particular time? I'm not sure he's qualified to either make those decisions or be held accountable for them.

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger View Post
    I'm not sure anything will happen to McKay. He's your typical agent, in the background, into everything. It's a dodgy profession in our game and he fits the bill.

    Is he an aviation expert? Did he organise for that particular plane to be flown at that particular time? I'm not sure he's qualified to either make those decisions or be held accountable for them.
    The bloke he employed to sort it out, Henderson, has been very very quiet, since it was he who organised it all. How strange is that?

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    Sounds like the best place for him, tbh.

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    The way i see it is that Mckay was likely to profit through the sala Transfer-If he's been declared bankrupt then that's wrong-isn't it? So he orchestrated a deal or certainly stimulated a deal between City and Nantes by spreading fake rumours over the demand of Sala-Can't say that i see anything wrong with that, it's probably common practice across the globe with players and football agents. The other thing he does is offer a free flight for Sala with an incredibly experienced pilot and allows both Sala and the pilot to sort it out between themselves-Still can't see anything wrong-the obvious issue is the sub contracting of ibbotson with his questionable credentials. Can we blame Mckay for that? I'm only going on what i've read, Mckay certainly wouldn't be on my christmas card list going on what i can see of his character, but we can't just assume that he has been negligent simply because he ticks all of the boxes of a pantomime villain. Sure, he sounds dodgy and shouldn't have been trading but it doesn't automatically mean that the services he provided or requested were completely his responsibility. Surely the club would've known his situation and surely they would've known that he was involved in the deal, if so then why didn't the club show some concern over his involvement initially and why are his two sons involved with the club when they have absolutely no chance of getting near the first team-Is it because the club thought that he was a good bloke to have 'on side' again, not really a problem, although it shows how football works at this level. There's fingers in pies right across the board in my opinion.
    I agree with much of that. But let's say company X arranges a flight with a third party company and the result is tragedy. Who is to blame? The individual who arranges the flight or the company who employed him? It's a long time since I studied economics but doesn't corporate responsibility enter the equation somewhere?

    It seems to me that McKay acted in good faith but the question of culpability must be the issue here.

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    The bloke he employed to sort it out, Henderson, has been very very quiet, since it was he who organised it all. How strange is that?
    There's a lot more to come from this Henderson bloke. Said from the start I didn't believe his story. I think he's in a lot of trouble.

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    Quote Originally Posted by Trigger View Post
    I'm not sure anything will happen to McKay. He's your typical agent, in the background, into everything. It's a dodgy profession in our game and he fits the bill.

    Is he an aviation expert? Did he organise for that particular plane to be flown at that particular time? I'm not sure he's qualified to either make those decisions or be held accountable for them.
    Willie McKay employed Dave Henderson to arrange the flights for Sala...Dave Henderson is regarded as an aviation expert & known to be closely linked to both Willie McKay & the aircraft used.
    Dave Henderson was fully aware that David Ibbotson was only a PRIVATE PILOT with DAYLIGHT FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS so any inference from Henderson that he wasn't aware that David Ibbotson wasn't a commercial pilot is pure bullshit.

    Dave Henderson is almost certainly culpable in all of this & he will be getting dissected by all the aviation investigation teams in what was known & what wasn't.

    Getting back to the initial misidentity of the pilot has underlying issues..... I will throw this into the mix :
    Dave Henderson is a commercial rated pilot with a night rating & IFR rating and quite current on the PA46 Malibu.
    David Ibbotson was a private rated pilot with no night rating & no IFR rating and no currency on the PA46 Malibu.

    One explanation for the misidentity is: A Flightplan in the name of Henderson might have been filed to allow IFR & Night flying as his licences permit that ( Ibbotson might have had copies of Hendersons licences to hoodwink the system ? ).

    Henderson knows the truth and it will need to come out in the Aviation investigation, I would guess there will be quite a lot of bullshit with a small piece of facts in what Henderson will disclose or portray the incident as.

    The facts are known that David Ibbotson was colourblind & restricted to day flight only, the main people with Sala's & Ibbotson's deaths on their hands are Willie McKay & Dave Henderson and I am confident that they both knew that Ibbotson was colourblind & restricted to day flight only.

    Ultimately Ibbotson signed his & Sala's deaths off by making that flight but I am guessing it was something he was pressured into by McKay and Henderson.

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    One thing that is very confusing is why Sala’s personal agent went back to France earlier than Sala because he didn’t leave on the PA46 to Nantes on the Saturday. It has been revealed that he left on the Friday afternoon on yet another PA46, N14EF owned by
    Altaclara Aviation Ltd who specialise in: Renting and leasing of air passenger transport equipment

    What a surprise! Yet another company that rents out an aircraft!

    The strangest bit is N14EF is a Turbine engined Malibu built in 1988 & N264DB was a piston engined Malibu built in 1984

    So the agent gets the Turbine aircraft at his disposal whilst the actual asset gets the Piston aircraft to be flown in !!!!
    Something seems dodgy.

    N14EF is owned by George Porchester, or Lord Porchester as he’s known in Debrett’s circles, who is the heir apparent to the Earl of Carnavon and grew up in the famous home of the period drama’s Grantham family (Highclere Castle, aka Downton Abbey.)
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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer46 View Post
    Willie McKay employed Dave Henderson to arrange the flights for Sala...Dave Henderson is regarded as an aviation expert & known to be closely linked to both Willie McKay & the aircraft used.
    Dave Henderson was fully aware that David Ibbotson was only a PRIVATE PILOT with DAYLIGHT FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS so any inference from Henderson that he wasn't aware that David Ibbotson wasn't a commercial pilot is pure bullshit.

    Dave Henderson is almost certainly culpable in all of this & he will be getting dissected by all the aviation investigation teams in what was known & what wasn't.

    Getting back to the initial misidentity of the pilot has underlying issues..... I will throw this into the mix :
    Dave Henderson is a commercial rated pilot with a night rating & IFR rating and quite current on the PA46 Malibu.
    David Ibbotson was a private rated pilot with no night rating & no IFR rating and no currency on the PA46 Malibu.

    One explanation for the misidentity is: A Flightplan in the name of Henderson might have been filed to allow IFR & Night flying as his licences permit that ( Ibbotson might have had copies of Hendersons licences to hoodwink the system ? ).

    Henderson knows the truth and it will need to come out in the Aviation investigation, I would guess there will be quite a lot of bullshit with a small piece of facts in what Henderson will disclose or portray the incident as.

    The facts are known that David Ibbotson was colourblind & restricted to day flight only, the main people with Sala's & Ibbotson's deaths on their hands are Willie McKay & Dave Henderson and I am confident that they both knew that Ibbotson was colourblind & restricted to day flight only.

    Ultimately Ibbotson signed his & Sala's deaths off by making that flight but I am guessing it was something he was pressured into by McKay and Henderson.

    Are these confirmed facts?

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    Quote Originally Posted by rs3100 View Post
    Are these confirmed facts?
    David Ibbotson was colourblind & restricted to day flight only....... That is a confirmed fact that I could easily prove, however I think it is prudent that it only gets confirmed when the AAIB report releases the same details I have to hand.

    David Ibbotson was only a PRIVATE PILOT with DAYLIGHT FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS....... That is a confirmed fact that I could easily prove, however I think it is prudent that it only gets confirmed when the AAIB report releases the same details I have to hand.

    It would not be nice to disclose actual proof while there is a search ongoing for the body of David Ibbotson, there will no doubt be collateral damage for his family when the full investigation findings become a public domain release, I am pretty sure they don't need any further distress after having lost a family member but I am damn sure there will be legal battles after the investigation, I just hope the focus goes onto Willie McKay as that snakey bastard needs to be held accountable for his part in the arrangements as does Dave Henderson.

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer46 View Post
    David Ibbotson was colourblind & restricted to day flight only....... That is a confirmed fact that I could easily prove, however I think it is prudent that it only gets confirmed when the AAIB report releases the same details I have to hand.

    David Ibbotson was only a PRIVATE PILOT with DAYLIGHT FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS....... That is a confirmed fact that I could easily prove, however I think it is prudent that it only gets confirmed when the AAIB report releases the same details I have to hand.

    It would not be nice to disclose actual proof while there is a search ongoing for the body of David Ibbotson, there will no doubt be collateral damage for his family when the full investigation findings become a public domain release, I am pretty sure they don't need any further distress after having lost a family member but I am damn sure there will be legal battles after the investigation, I just hope the focus goes onto Willie McKay as that snakey bastard needs to be held accountable for his part in the arrangements as does Dave Henderson.
    Fair enough, I hadn't seen that quoted anywhere. I'm trying to wait for the report to come out rather than speculate, but I will take your word for it.

    Totally agree with you on McKay and Henderson, there has to be some complicity there.

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    where does the AAIB report get published - is it public or private?

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer46 View Post
    David Ibbotson was colourblind & restricted to day flight only....... That is a confirmed fact that I could easily prove, however I think it is prudent that it only gets confirmed when the AAIB report releases the same details I have to hand.

    David Ibbotson was only a PRIVATE PILOT with DAYLIGHT FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS....... That is a confirmed fact that I could easily prove, however I think it is prudent that it only gets confirmed when the AAIB report releases the same details I have to hand.

    It would not be nice to disclose actual proof while there is a search ongoing for the body of David Ibbotson, there will no doubt be collateral damage for his family when the full investigation findings become a public domain release, I am pretty sure they don't need any further distress after having lost a family member but I am damn sure there will be legal battles after the investigation, I just hope the focus goes onto Willie McKay as that snakey bastard needs to be held accountable for his part in the arrangements as does Dave Henderson.
    You appear to be in a privileged position. Your insight is thought provoking but I’d be cautious with the language

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    Re: "Cardiff are trying to throw me under bus" - Willie McKay"...Telegraph report

    Wasn't it stated somewhere right at the beginning that Henderson had checked through security at Nantes to fly the plane? This might be a figment of my imagination so don't take this as fact.

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