Daily Mail's Martin Samuel does a hatchet job on City.

[Bald Barry Bastad]

Interesting comments about the Bamba signing. When you see it like that in black and white it does seem a little...odd.

Signing of the Mckay twins is just embarrassing.

I thought so too when reading that but it's not true. Leeds fans agreed with the club for letting him go and agreed that it was time he found another club. Nothing under handed here.

[Bald Barry Bastad]

It's fairly obvious at this point that someone at Cardiff City has upset someone at the Daily Mail.

I think Bob makes it obvious who is upset at the Daily Mail

[Der Kaiser]

I think Bob makes it obvious who is upset at the Daily Mail

I was referring to the fact the Mail were also pushing the Bellamy stories, who weren't written by Martin Samuel. Wanker.

[MacAdder]

If this was about any other club you might think the article is well written and researched.

I doubt that very much. For one thing I wouldn't have even opened the link had it been about another club.

Whether it is researched and well written or not isn't the point as far as I'm concerned.
Did/do any of us doubt that that football isn't broken and there is mass corruption happening 24/7?

As has been said previously, it seems that this piece is personal, Samuel is getting after Warnock and throw in the fact it is Cardiff City... bonus time.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

I doubt that very much. For one thing I wouldn't have even opened the link had it been about another club.

Whether it is researched and well written or not isn't the point as far as I'm concerned.
Did/do any of us doubt that that football isn't broken and there is mass corruption happening 24/7?

As has been said previously, it seems that this piece is personal, Samuel is getting after Warnock and throw in the fact it is Cardiff City... bonus time.

Samuel is now a shock jock and has been for some time.

https://danieldcollins.wordpress.com...jack-grealish/

[StraightOuttaCanton]

Just read the article and gave up 3/4 of the way through.

Anybody who has posted on this message board for the last 5 years could have written that article - in fact I’d bet that one of his researchers did exactly that and ghost wrote the entire article for him.

He doesn’t provide any answers - just pokes and asks a bunch of questions that to my mind are just shit stirring in their nature. Lazy horrible journalism trying to dress itself up as investigative.

[life on mars]

I thought so too when reading that but it's not true. Leeds fans agreed with the club for letting him go and agreed that it was time he found another club. Nothing under handed here.

I have a mate who is a Leeds season ticket holder , he told me at the time when we signed Bamba , he had literally stopped playing due to a very big falling out with club , owner and manager , he was released as his wages were high , its was well known at the time .

He also warned me he'd be a genius for about a few months and then lose interest , I think he knew they had lost a tidy player , and we had gained one , like all Leeds fans , he lives in denial.

[Lawnmower]

Wouldn’t waste my time even clicking on a link in his name

[Father Dougal]

Wouldn’t waste my time even clicking on a link in his name

Basically we signed healey noone and morrison because of Neil warnocks son.

(No the fact warnock became our manager about 5 years after these signings is not relevant)

Bamba was released by leeds to sign for cardiff and it was engineered by willie mckay.

(Warnock becoming our manager over a month after bamba leaving leeds is not relevant)

Football agents can be quite dodgy and football transfers can be quite complicated.

I think thats pretty much it?

Oh and hes been on google to 'research' that we signed the mckay twins 13 months ago. Something he wasnt interested in at the time and something that has been discussed at length on this mboard so hardly cutting edge journalism.

[Father Dougal]

Only other thing i cant quite understand is why cardiff are getting so much stick for speaking to the agent hired by nantes to sell sala (mckay).

Why are cardiff the bad guys in that and not nantes who it seems actually hired him? In that situation if cardiff did want sala then what were we supposed to do? Refuse the transfer because we didn't like the agent nantes chose?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Samuel also wrote a piece on last season's FA Cup match with Man City which had the subtitle "Guardiola masterclass gives Cardiff cloggers the boot".

it's a powerful piece by Samuel and I believe he makes a number of valid points, but he is hardly an impartial bystander in all of this and I find it hard to avoid the feeling that the article might have read differently if Neil Warnock was not our manager.

Before I read it, I suppose it needs to be said that we would be playing a different style of football if Warnock wasn't our manager.

[Llandaff Blue]

Maybe I'm being thick here, but can someone tell me the significance of Martin mentioning the Noone, Morrison and Healy deals? All of these were signed many years before Warnock joined the club. Yeah they used the same company but so what, is that breaching any rules?

[stevebrickman]

Maybe I'm being thick here, but can someone tell me the significance of Martin mentioning the Noone, Morrison and Healy deals? All of these were signed many years before Warnock joined the club. Yeah they used the same company but so what, is that breaching any rules?

There is no significance. He's exposing the flaws in his own argument.

[Father Dougal]

Maybe I'm being thick here, but can someone tell me the significance of Martin mentioning the Noone, Morrison and Healy deals? All of these were signed many years before Warnock joined the club. Yeah they used the same company but so what, is that breaching any rules?

Its not you being thick...... This is a ridiculously poor article.

[StraightOuttaCanton]

Basically we signed healey noone and morrison because of Neil warnocks son.

(No the fact warnock became our manager about 5 years after these signings is not relevant)

Bamba was released by leeds to sign for cardiff and it was engineered by willie mckay.

(Warnock becoming our manager over a month after bamba leaving leeds is not relevant)

Football agents can be quite dodgy and football transfers can be quite complicated.

I think thats pretty much it?

Oh and hes been on google to 'research' that we signed the mckay twins 13 months ago. Something he wasnt interested in at the time and something that has been discussed at length on this mboard so hardly cutting edge journalism.

That was exactly my earlier point. There is not one thing in that article that I could see (I didn’t read it all) that hadn’t been discussed on here in the last few weeks. My 11 year old nephew could have pulled it together as an English assignment and he’d only have had to put CCMB as his source. There have been pages of debate on here about the stuff he now claims as his own. Blokes a joke. If he’d posted it on here and entered into a debate he’d have got destroyed by some of the more articulate members on here (it’s ok TLG I don’t mean you 😂)

[JennyWren]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...Sala-died.html

First thing I'd say about the article is that it is effective and hits the target often, he asks pertinent questions regarding some of City's dealings in the past and the charge that it is all about the money with the club is a hard one to argue against.

However, a major flaw in Samuel's argument for me is the way he claims that none of this would be happening if Emiliano Sala were still alive. He brings attention to the Vincent Tan/ Malky Mackay/Iain Moody situation while making particular reference to the Andreas Cornelius transfer, but doesn't our owner's use of the legal system in that case show that there is at least the possibility that City would be acting in exactly the same way if Emiliano was still with us? My own view is that City's off field management were reactive, rather than proactive, when it came to the Cornelius transfer and the same may be true about Sala as well, but I think Samuel is misjudging Vincent Tan when it comes to when he would turn to litigation.

While reading the article, I also had a vague memory of Neil Warnock mentioning Martin Samuel, and not in a complimentary way, by name in one of his press conference as City manager, so I did some checking and I think it's fair to say that there is a bit of history between the two men;-

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...lace-boss.html

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/w...el-b6rqmbt5zk5

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ek-433835.html

http://archive.onetouchfootball.com/...1;t=010196;p=3

Samuel also wrote a piece on last season's FA Cup match with Man City which had the subtitle "Guardiola masterclass gives Cardiff cloggers the boot".

it's a powerful piece by Samuel and I believe he makes a number of valid points, but he is hardly an impartial bystander in all of this and I find it hard to avoid the feeling that the article might have read differently if Neil Warnock was not our manager.

His flaw is his claim that none of this would be happening if Sala was alive and scoring goals.
Your flaw is that you think Tan would be pursuing this if Sala was alive and scoring goals.

Football tribalism at it's typical worst. No wonder you're still a hobby journalist with objectivism as shite as that.

Let's just look at some facts.

Cardiff City, and their hard nosed, successful businessman owner, were duped into paying an over inflated fee for a player based on fake agent reports of interest from a number of clubs. Again!

Instead of Cardiff picking up the phone and asking Everton/Palace "Hey, are you interested in Sala", the club took the agent at his word, and paid the inflated price to get their man.

The only reason that Sala is dead, and the only reason that a sister has lost her brother, and that a father/mother has lost their son, is because he was on a flight to his new club. A club that has, since, claimed he wasn't registered properly. With that loophole seemingly closed, his new club have withheld payment to Nantes despite his new club claiming they would be honourable. His new club have also chased up the aforementioned clubs to see if there was really a genuine interest. A bit ****ing late innit?

Far from exposing the murky world of football agents, as they claimed they were going to do after Mackay/Moody. Instead, they employed Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, and signed a number of players that, by some amazing coincidence, happened to have the same agent that he had. What are the chances?

Well, actually quite slim, because Cardiff then went with Warnock, whose son actually works for one of these agencies.

Remind me again, who is Tomlin's agent? And how many minutes did he play before he started bending over double gasping for air. I thought the Cardiff City transfer committee was supposed to be robust, stringent, analytical.

Then, in yet another amazing quirk of fate, the agent of the young man who died on his way to his new club that wasn't even registered for his new club, and who cost £15m but was actually overvalued by his new club, that player's agent has a son who..... wait for it.... WAS ON CARDIFF CITY'S ****ING BOOKS. So was his twin brother! You cannot make it up, can you?

And, we have so-called sensible people like you defending the club in the face of all this. And, I'll tell you something else - if this happened to Swansea, or Man U, or Watford - your opinion would be the exact opposite.

The journalist who, I have to say, is just as objective as you are, succeeds in hitting a few more nails on the head than you have. He is right, the FA should be brought in to investigate it. Why haven't they been? Tan was very quick to involve the FA and SFA when the time was right (or rather ripe) for Mackay. Why isn't he involving them now?

Cardiff are trying to avoid a £15m cost, they look desperate with their actions.
1) Not registered with PL
2) Agent inflated the transfer fee (club could have always said "NO")
3) Nantes are liable
4) The agent is liable

These are the 4 avenues, off the top of my head, that the club have gone down in a desperate effort to claw back the money. It is now obvious that the player wasn't insured at the time of the accident, a few sports insurers sepculated that may be the case at the time. Cardiff are panicking, and all morality has gone out the window. Again. Like many other times under Vincent Tan.

And you hypocritical pricks are all defending the club as if the retrieval of the money will make the slightest bit of difference. Like crabs caught in a bucket.

Whether there is personal history or not, the journalist is hitting a few key notes.

Your defence is now for Warnock, the man you used to chastise and call Colin Wanker but who, because he now manages your ****ed up club, is now Mr Honourable. Do me a favour! Had Warnock been managing another club and it happened there, you would definitely have been taking the journalist's side. Hypocrit.

[StraightOuttaCanton]

Sounds like Bob may have upset you in another life 😂😂😂. That’s quite the rant😂

[the other bob wilson]

Sounds like Bob may have upset you in another life ������. That’s quite the rant��

Think he blames me for his latest ban.

[JennyWren]

Think he blames me for his latest ban.

Oh, are you referring to the time you made a public comment on me that I replied to in private, before you then replied again in public - and then Mike banned me for replying to you? Yeah, you definitely have the moral highground on that one

[Auntie Andy]

His flaw is his claim that none of this would be happening if Sala was alive and scoring goals.
Your flaw is that you think Tan would be pursuing this if Sala was alive and scoring goals.

Football tribalism at it's typical worst. No wonder you're still a hobby journalist with objectivism as shite as that.

Let's just look at some facts.

Cardiff City, and their hard nosed, successful businessman owner, were duped into paying an over inflated fee for a player based on fake agent reports of interest from a number of clubs. Again!

Instead of Cardiff picking up the phone and asking Everton/Palace "Hey, are you interested in Sala", the club took the agent at his word, and paid the inflated price to get their man.

The only reason that Sala is dead, and the only reason that a sister has lost her brother, and that a father/mother has lost their son, is because he was on a flight to his new club. A club that has, since, claimed he wasn't registered properly. With that loophole seemingly closed, his new club have withheld payment to Nantes despite his new club claiming they would be honourable. His new club have also chased up the aforementioned clubs to see if there was really a genuine interest. A bit ****ing late innit?

Far from exposing the murky world of football agents, as they claimed they were going to do after Mackay/Moody. Instead, they employed Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, and signed a number of players that, by some amazing coincidence, happened to have the same agent that he had. What are the chances?

Well, actually quite slim, because Cardiff then went with Warnock, whose son actually works for one of these agencies.

Remind me again, who is Tomlin's agent? And how many minutes did he play before he started bending over double gasping for air. I thought the Cardiff City transfer committee was supposed to be robust, stringent, analytical.

Then, in yet another amazing quirk of fate, the agent of the young man who died on his way to his new club that wasn't even registered for his new club, and who cost £15m but was actually overvalued by his new club, that player's agent has a son who..... wait for it.... WAS ON CARDIFF CITY'S ****ING BOOKS. So was his twin brother! You cannot make it up, can you?

And, we have so-called sensible people like you defending the club in the face of all this. And, I'll tell you something else - if this happened to Swansea, or Man U, or Watford - your opinion would be the exact opposite.

The journalist who, I have to say, is just as objective as you are, succeeds in hitting a few more nails on the head than you have. He is right, the FA should be brought in to investigate it. Why haven't they been? Tan was very quick to involve the FA and SFA when the time was right (or rather ripe) for Mackay. Why isn't he involving them now?

Cardiff are trying to avoid a £15m cost, they look desperate with their actions.
1) Not registered with PL
2) Agent inflated the transfer fee (club could have always said "NO")
3) Nantes are liable
4) The agent is liable

These are the 4 avenues, off the top of my head, that the club have gone down in a desperate effort to claw back the money. It is now obvious that the player wasn't insured at the time of the accident, a few sports insurers sepculated that may be the case at the time. Cardiff are panicking, and all morality has gone out the window. Again. Like many other times under Vincent Tan.

And you hypocritical pricks are all defending the club as if the retrieval of the money will make the slightest bit of difference. Like crabs caught in a bucket.

Whether there is personal history or not, the journalist is hitting a few key notes.

Your defence is now for Warnock, the man you used to chastise and call Colin Wanker but who, because he now manages your ****ed up club, is now Mr Honourable. Do me a favour! Had Warnock been managing another club and it happened there, you would definitely have been taking the journalist's side. Hypocrit.

You OK hun

[the other bob wilson]

His flaw is his claim that none of this would be happening if Sala was alive and scoring goals.
Your flaw is that you think Tan would be pursuing this if Sala was alive and scoring goals.

Football tribalism at it's typical worst. No wonder you're still a hobby journalist with objectivism as shite as that.

Let's just look at some facts.

Cardiff City, and their hard nosed, successful businessman owner, were duped into paying an over inflated fee for a player based on fake agent reports of interest from a number of clubs. Again!

Instead of Cardiff picking up the phone and asking Everton/Palace "Hey, are you interested in Sala", the club took the agent at his word, and paid the inflated price to get their man.

The only reason that Sala is dead, and the only reason that a sister has lost her brother, and that a father/mother has lost their son, is because he was on a flight to his new club. A club that has, since, claimed he wasn't registered properly. With that loophole seemingly closed, his new club have withheld payment to Nantes despite his new club claiming they would be honourable. His new club have also chased up the aforementioned clubs to see if there was really a genuine interest. A bit ****ing late innit?

Far from exposing the murky world of football agents, as they claimed they were going to do after Mackay/Moody. Instead, they employed Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, and signed a number of players that, by some amazing coincidence, happened to have the same agent that he had. What are the chances?

Well, actually quite slim, because Cardiff then went with Warnock, whose son actually works for one of these agencies.

Remind me again, who is Tomlin's agent? And how many minutes did he play before he started bending over double gasping for air. I thought the Cardiff City transfer committee was supposed to be robust, stringent, analytical.

Then, in yet another amazing quirk of fate, the agent of the young man who died on his way to his new club that wasn't even registered for his new club, and who cost £15m but was actually overvalued by his new club, that player's agent has a son who..... wait for it.... WAS ON CARDIFF CITY'S ****ING BOOKS. So was his twin brother! You cannot make it up, can you?

And, we have so-called sensible people like you defending the club in the face of all this. And, I'll tell you something else - if this happened to Swansea, or Man U, or Watford - your opinion would be the exact opposite.

The journalist who, I have to say, is just as objective as you are, succeeds in hitting a few more nails on the head than you have. He is right, the FA should be brought in to investigate it. Why haven't they been? Tan was very quick to involve the FA and SFA when the time was right (or rather ripe) for Mackay. Why isn't he involving them now?

Cardiff are trying to avoid a £15m cost, they look desperate with their actions.
1) Not registered with PL
2) Agent inflated the transfer fee (club could have always said "NO")
3) Nantes are liable
4) The agent is liable

These are the 4 avenues, off the top of my head, that the club have gone down in a desperate effort to claw back the money. It is now obvious that the player wasn't insured at the time of the accident, a few sports insurers sepculated that may be the case at the time. Cardiff are panicking, and all morality has gone out the window. Again. Like many other times under Vincent Tan.

And you hypocritical pricks are all defending the club as if the retrieval of the money will make the slightest bit of difference. Like crabs caught in a bucket.

Whether there is personal history or not, the journalist is hitting a few key notes.

Your defence is now for Warnock, the man you used to chastise and call Colin Wanker but who, because he now manages your ****ed up club, is now Mr Honourable. Do me a favour! Had Warnock been managing another club and it happened there, you would definitely have been taking the journalist's side. Hypocrit.

Right, having got all that off your chest, let's see what I actually said in that post you replied to. I thought I made it clear that Martin Samuel made some valid points and that I found it hard to argue against the motivation for recent stories from the club's perspective regarding the payment of the Sala fee being money. However, in essence, I only wanted to make two points;-

1. My belief that Vincent Tan could well have acted in a similar fashion to the way he did against Malky Mackay and Iain Moody if Emiliano Sala was alive and playing for us now.
2. To show that Neil Warnock and Martin Samuel have a history which would make it hard for either man to be objective about the other.

That word objective seems to be an important one to you based on the way you use it in your message and I plead guilty to a lack of objectivity when it comes to my football club. For example, I don't like the football Neil Warnock teams play, but I can cope with it when we win because I celebrate any City victory under Warnock in exactly the same way I did under any other manager - my footballing preferences tend to go out of the window when we win I'm afraid.

However, I like to think that I try to retain some objectivity, hence my concession that Martin Samuel's article is generally "effective" and that he "hits the target often".

You talk as if I have been backing Neil Warnock all of the way over the past few weeks when my belief is that I have, purposely, not said much one way or another about him - I posted links which show that Martin Samuel has "previous" when it comes to Neil Warnock, but there are examples out there of it happening the other way around, so, as I mentioned earlier, we're talking about two men who are unlikely to be objective about one and other.

I'm reluctant to comment much on the rest of what you say except to mention that over a period of years I think I have shown that I favour the cock up theory over the conspiracy one when it comes to the time covered by Vincent Tan's ownership of the club.

My unwillingness to say any more than that for now is down to me trying to show some objectivity by waiting until the publication of the AAIB's interim report, which I believe was due out tomorrow but has now been postponed for a week.

I've given you what I think is a civil reply, but cannot help but mention that you left objectivity behind years ago when it comes to Cardiff City didn't you. I find it truly sad that some seven years after the rebrand was announced you still cannot let go can you.

I'm going to stick you on ignore now and won't be replying to any of your messages again.

[JennyWren]

Right, having got all that off your chest, let's see what I actually said in that post you replied to. I thought I made it clear that Martin Samuel made some valid points and that I found it hard to argue against the motivation for recent stories from the club's perspective regarding the payment of the Sala fee being money. However, in essence, I only wanted to make two points;-

1. My belief that Vincent Tan could well have acted in a similar fashion to the way he did against Malky Mackay and Iain Moody if Emiliano Sala was alive and playing for us now.
2. To show that Neil Warnock and Martin Samuel have a history which would make it hard for either man to be objective about the other.

That word objective seems to be an important one to you based on the way you use it in your message and I plead guilty to a lack of objectivity when it comes to my football club. For example, I don't like the football Neil Warnock teams play, but I can cope with it when we win because I celebrate any City victory under Warnock in exactly the same way I did under any other manager - my footballing preferences tend to go out of the window when we win I'm afraid.

However, I like to think that I try to retain some objectivity, hence my concession that Martin Samuel's article is generally "effective" and that he "hits the target often".

You talk as if I have been backing Neil Warnock all of the way over the past few weeks when my belief is that I have, purposely, not said much one way or another about him - I posted links which show that Martin Samuel has "previous" when it comes to Neil Warnock, but there are examples out there of it happening the other way around, so, as I mentioned earlier, we're talking about two men who are unlikely to be objective about one and other.

I'm reluctant to comment much on the rest of what you say except to mention that over a period of years I think I have shown that I favour the cock up theory over the conspiracy one when it comes to the time covered by Vincent Tan's ownership of the club.

My unwillingness to say any more than that for now is down to me trying to show some objectivity by waiting until the publication of the AAIB's interim report, which I believe was due out tomorrow but has now been postponed for a week.

I've given you what I think is a civil reply, but cannot help but mention that you left objectivity behind years ago when it comes to Cardiff City didn't you. I find it truly sad that some seven years after the rebrand was announced you still cannot let go can you.

I'm going to stick you on ignore now and won't be replying to any of your messages again.

[Croesy Blue]

That’s jirga, he can’t stay hidden for too long. An absolute pathetic specimen, he deserves nothing but sympathy.

[Croesy Blue]

Think he blames me for his latest ban.

He’s a sad act I wouldn’t waste your time on him.

[Croesy Blue]

Oh, are you referring to the time you made a public comment on me that I replied to in private, before you then replied again in public - and then Mike banned me for replying to you? Yeah, you definitely have the moral highground on that one

This guy needs to be banned for his own good.