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  1. #1

    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    This tickled me, and got me thinking - are there any recent examples of the government abusing its power (or attempting to) or are those days in the past thanks to Twitter?

    I thought of the Gina Miller court case where the government wanted to exercise article 50 without parliament's approval, and the government paying £1bn of taxpayer money to the DUP to get enough seats to 'win' the election. The ferry contract to a company with no ferries seems to have a few question marks over it. Any other recent ones?
    The government taking the referendum as minding despite one of its biggest backers being illegally funded. Deporting windrush citizens then arresting those who protested against it on terrorist offences. Theresa May being best pals with Paul Darce and Aaron Banks and refusing to investigate LeaveEU because of it.

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    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    The government taking the referendum as minding despite one of its biggest backers being illegally funded. Deporting windrush citizens then arresting those who protested against it on terrorist offences. Theresa May being best pals with Paul Darce and Aaron Banks and refusing to investigate LeaveEU because of it.
    Oh the old, it went on in the past, so it will happen in the future school of thought...

    What have they done today?!

  3. #3

    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    This tickled me, and got me thinking - are there any recent examples of the government abusing its power (or attempting to) or are those days in the past thanks to Twitter?

    I thought of the Gina Miller court case where the government wanted to exercise article 50 without parliament's approval, and the government paying £1bn of taxpayer money to the DUP to get enough seats to 'win' the election. The ferry contract to a company with no ferries seems to have a few question marks over it. Any other recent ones?
    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    The government taking the referendum as minding despite one of its biggest backers being illegally funded. Deporting windrush citizens then arresting those who protested against it on terrorist offences. Theresa May being best pals with Paul Darce and Aaron Banks and refusing to investigate LeaveEU because of it.
    Which does prove my point, long gone are the days that the government get away abuse of power and we do not hear about it due to us being alot more connected, in the old days we would not have heard of any of that

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    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    Which does prove my point, long gone are the days that the government get away abuse of power and we do not hear about it due to us being alot more connected, in the old days we would not have heard of any of that
    We wouldn't have heard of a citizen taking the government to the supreme court and winning or how the government achieved their majority after a general election?

    Give over.


    Social media and the rise of independent investigatiive journalists have done a lot for getting stories out there, yes - but there's no way we're at full transparency.

  5. #5

    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    We wouldn't have heard of a citizen taking the government to the supreme court and winning or how the government achieved their majority after a general election?


    Give over.

    Social media and the rise of independent investigatiive journalists have done a lot for getting stories out there, yes - but there's no way we're at full transparency.
    You knew exactly what i meant, your last sentence proves that

  6. #6

    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    You knew exactly what i meant, your last sentence proves that
    I know what you meant and there's no way that the days of governments getting away with abuse of power are long gone.

  7. #7

    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    Yes of course we did, and we all agree that was wrong, but while it could easily happen again ? ? ( though the day and age of them finding it easy to abuse power must have gone, as the people are alot more connected ) it might not and imho if we take this incident alone and treat it as a one-off, then the government has done the right thing, which is follow the opinion of the mass's ( for once )


    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post


    Social media and the rise of independent investigatiive journalists have done a lot for getting stories out there, yes - but there's no way we're at full transparency.


    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    I know what you meant and there's no way that the days of governments getting away with abuse of power are long gone.
    The Key words in my post are finding it easy, and i stand by that, we are all far to connected for that, so when the public find out, questions are asked, the ferry company fiasco was mentioned, questions were asked and the government back-tracked on it ( was it last week ? ? ? ) a prime example of not finding it easy

  8. #8

    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    The Key words in my post are finding it easy, and i stand by that, we are all far to connected for that, so when the public find out, questions are asked, the ferry company fiasco was mentioned, questions were asked and the government back-tracked on it ( was it last week ? ? ? ) a prime example of not finding it easy
    So the government doesn't find it easy to abuse power now because questions are asked on social media and keeps them in check.

    Yet in this thread you are criticising people for doing exactly that

    "Oh the old, It went on in the past, so it will happen in the future school of thought

    I feel safe in the knowledge that Your good self and Lardy wouldnt just stand by and let the Government abuse its power, I can sleep safe in that knowledge

    Or we can always look at everything in life with suspicion and mistrust, what a joyful life that must be "

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    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    The Key words in my post are finding it easy, and i stand by that, we are all far to connected for that, so when the public find out, questions are asked, the ferry company fiasco was mentioned, questions were asked and the government back-tracked on it ( was it last week ? ? ? ) a prime example of not finding it easy
    The internet and social media are very much a double edged sword in this respect.
    The collapse of newspaper sales has meant that traditional media employ a fraction of the number of journalists that they used to, and those that remain typically just repurpose press releases into stories as it is much quicker than going and investigating anything.

  10. #10

    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    If only Twitter was around during the Blair years there’s no way the Iraq was would have happened and we wouldn’t even have Isis!

  11. #11

    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    If only Twitter was around during the Blair years there’s no way the Iraq was would have happened and we wouldn’t even have Isis!
    you crack on, pointless posts like this bring nothing to the discussion, unless you think it makes you look smart

  12. #12

    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    Which does prove my point, long gone are the days that the government get away abuse of power and we do not hear about it due to us being alot more connected, in the old days we would not have heard of any of that
    It doesn’t prove your point, it proves they’re still getting away with what they want with zero consequences.

  13. #13

    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    you crack on, pointless posts like this bring nothing to the discussion, unless you think it makes you look smart
    This could be posted after every post you make in fairness.

  14. #14

    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    Trump won the election due to Russian interference, the whole of Twitter know about it but it’s changed nothing. How can you say the government can’t get away with stuff like this any more because of social media?

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    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Trump won the election due to alleged Russian interference, the whole of Twitter know about it but it’s changed nothing. How can you say the government can’t get away with stuff like this any more because of social media?
    Amended for you.
    Unless of course you have some irrefutable proof of which the CIA the DNS FBI and Homeland, with all their resources are collectively and/or severally so far unaware of course!!

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    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Amended for you.
    Unless of course you have some irrefutable proof of which the CIA the DNS FBI and Homeland, with all their resources are collectively and/or severally so far unaware of course!!
    Except that all of those agencies have agreed that Russia interfered in the 2016 US Presidential Election...

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-comments.html

    American intelligence agencies and both parties on Capitol Hill are in consensus that, as Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence, said, “Russia conducted an unprecedented influence campaign to interfere in the U.S. electoral and political process.”

    The federal and congressional intelligence and national security groups that have stated that Russia interfered in the election:

    1. Central Intelligence Agency

    2. Office of the Director of National Intelligence

    3. F.B.I.

    4. National Security Agency

    5. Justice Department

    6. Department of Homeland Security

    7. House Intelligence Committee

    8. Senate Intelligence Committee

  17. #17

    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    Why are people happy to have her sent to Bangladesh? Do they think they deserve a “terrorist” more than the U.K.? Or do people just not care as long as we are rid of her?

  18. #18

    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Why are people happy to have her sent to Bangladesh? Do they think they deserve a “terrorist” more than the U.K.? Or do people just not care as long as we are rid of her?
    Getting rid seems to be the priority. As long as she's not on British soil they couldn't care less. I think that's the general attitude.

  19. #19

    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    It's her parents I feel sorry for.

    Their daughter as a child is groomed/brainwashed into running away to a war zone and shacking up with a terrorist paedo.
    Finally a glimmer of hope for them when she says she wants to come home to face the music, only for the UK to say, sorry you aren't British any more, you can be someone else's problem.

    Is that really who we are as a nation? Does it make you proud?

  20. #20

    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    Quote Originally Posted by Igovernor View Post
    You say tomato I say tomAto,told you yesterday that she had automatic citizenship, you never said it was automatic along with many, that was my whole point, and I did agree if you want to check that she would have to activate it
    How on Earth are you still digging ffs

  21. #21

    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    What are me and Lardy going to do?! You’ve got literal journalists reporting on Aaron Banks links to Russia and the Meuller report and the bbc or the government aren’t even looking at it.

    Matt would work for the department of truth until the day he died because he was a glass half full kinda guy.

  22. #22

    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    Nothing alleged about the indictments that have already happened.

  23. #23

    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    Why do conspiracy theorists stop believing that conspiracies are possible when there’s proof?

    Almost like the ones that don’t back up a far right agenda aren’t interesting to them 🤔.

  24. #24

    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Amended for you.
    Unless of course you have some irrefutable proof of which the CIA the DNS FBI and Homeland, with all their resources are collectively and/or severally so far unaware of course!!
    Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team has indicted or gotten guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies that we know of — the latest being longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone.

  25. #25

    Re: RESULT Shamima Begum

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Amended for you.
    Unless of course you have some irrefutable proof of which the CIA the DNS FBI and Homeland, with all their resources are collectively and/or severally so far unaware of course!!
    Saving this post so I can stop calling you an alleged dick head

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