RESULT Shamima Begum

[xsnaggle]

Saving this post so I can stop calling you an alleged dick head

Why does that make me a dickhead? Because I point out that what you wrote wasn't actually totally 100%f actually correct?

People state opinions and hearsay on here all the time as if they are facts. Does that make me a dickhead? They do it to try to support their own theories and opinions on things in the hope that if it is read and repeated often enough it will become the truth.
But as I said, if you have the proof then the US law enforcement agencies would love you to share it with them, dick head!!!!

[lardy]

Why does that make me a dickhead? Because I point out that what you wrote wasn't actually totally 100%f actually correct?

People state opinions and hearsay on here all the time as if they are facts. Does that make me a dickhead? They do it to try to support their own theories and opinions on things in the hope that if it is read and repeated often enough it will become the truth.
But as I said, if you have the proof then the US law enforcement agencies would love you to share it with them, dick head!!!!

But all the US intelligence agencies agree that the Russians did interfere.

[xsnaggle]

I think they believe they did. Proving it and proving that whatever they did actually did affect the result is a different rhing.

[Croesy Blue]

Just saw this in an article:

2006-2016 - deprivation of citizenship if conducive to the public good was used 50 times

2017 - 104 times

It was not used at all between 1973 and 2002

It’s not being used even when national security is not at stake. Lucky Matt is only focussing on this one issue though.

If I was a British citizen with parents who had a different heritage I’d be scared. They’ve basically become second class citizens. If citizenship has become easily revocable is it even citizenship? Seems like it’s become a visa.

[light up the darkness]

She says today she’s willing to change

If so That changes everything

[Rjk]

She says today she’s willing to change

If so That changes everything

I'm not sure what her current living arrangements are, but you have to wonder how able to speak freely she is

[jamieccfc]

I'm not sure what her current living arrangements are, but you have to wonder how able to speak freely she is

What would you suggest then? I don’t think this women should see the light of day

[Rjk]

What would you suggest then? I don’t think this women should see the light of day

Bring her home, put her on trial for what she has done.

1) if she is a dangerous criminal, as some on here seem to think, what right do we have to inflict her on another country?

2) she was a kid who was groomed and brainwashed, at the very least there was probably statutory rape involved. Do we really want to be the kind of nation that just turns our back on these people?

[surge]

[QUOTE=Rjk;4952989]Bring her home, put her on trial for what she has done.

1) if she is a dangerous criminal, as some on here seem to think, what right do we have to inflict her on another country?

2) she was a kid who was groomed and brainwashed, at the very least there was probably statutory rape involved. Do we really want to be the kind of nation that just turns our back on these people?[/QUOTE]

We're perhaps a nation(s) where people have quicker and stronger views than ever before and less willing to change their mind while admitting previous views. It's also possible that those views are more likely to be made in opposition to something/someone rather than based on facts and evidence, which is found later to back up viewpoints made.

35 days til Brexit becomes a no deal, there is no agreement within the UK, Westminster is not accepting that it needs to be delayed citing the "will of the people", and we're taking our collective frustrations out on a child.

[Jimmy the Jock]

Bring her home, put her on trial for what she has done.

1) if she is a dangerous criminal, as some on here seem to think, what right do we have to inflict her on another country?

2) she was a kid who was groomed and brainwashed, at the very least there was probably statutory rape involved. Do we really want to be the kind of nation that just turns our back on these people?

Whilst I understand your point.

is there ever any point when we take responsibility for our actions?

They are appealing the decision , the clamour of the lawyers to take this case would have been humongous ..
In the interest of democracy mmmmm or in the interest of self promotion... ? And so the circus began...

[jamieccfc]

Bring her home, put her on trial for what she has done.

1) if she is a dangerous criminal, as some on here seem to think, what right do we have to inflict her on another country?

2) she was a kid who was groomed and brainwashed, at the very least there was probably statutory rape involved. Do we really want to be the kind of nation that just turns our back on these people?

I’m not entirely convinced on your second point

[xsnaggle]

She says today she’s willing to change

If so That changes everything

If she is willing to change that shirley means that she hasn't yet, which could lead someone to assume she will only change if it suits what she wants.. not really a good basis to begin from is it?

[Croesy Blue]

One, I fear, which won't be too popular.

The U.K.always has our government just couldn’t be bothered with them. Other European countries manage it much better than us.

[life on mars]

If the whole issue regarding Shamima Begum has proved something, it's that Britain does indeed control its own borders, not the EU.

Your having me on , really, so we have gone through all this Brexit thingy for nuffin???😭😭

[Croesy Blue]

Why does that make me a dickhead? Because I point out that what you wrote wasn't actually totally 100%f actually correct?

People state opinions and hearsay on here all the time as if they are facts. Does that make me a dickhead? They do it to try to support their own theories and opinions on things in the hope that if it is read and repeated often enough it will become the truth.
But as I said, if you have the proof then the US law enforcement agencies would love you to share it with them, dick head!!!!

But people have pleaded guilty and been indicted. There’s nothing alleged about it.

[xsnaggle]

Who has pleaded guilty and to what? And why are they being indicted if they are already found guilty
I haven't read about any Russians going to the USA and saying they rigged the elections. Do you have a link?

[Eric Cartman]

Whilst I understand your point.

is there ever any point when we take responsibility for our actions?

They are appealing the decision , the clamour of the lawyers to take this case would have been humongous ..
In the interest of democracy mmmmm or in the interest of self promotion... ? And so the circus began...

So you wish for her to take responsibility for her actions? Perhaps this could take place in a court like usual or do we just start a policy to banish any tricky criminals to Bangladesh or Holland from now on?

[Croesy Blue]

Who has pleaded guilty and to what? And why are they being indicted if they are already found guilty
I haven't read about any Russians going to the USA and saying they rigged the elections. Do you have a link?

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/12/...ction-actions/

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-...7-12?r=US&IR=T

[Rjk]

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/12/...ction-actions/

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-...7-12?r=US&IR=T

https://twitter.com/David_K_Clark/st...162949120?s=19

Different country, but some definite parallels here

[rudy gestede]

Why does that make me a dickhead? Because I point out that what you wrote wasn't actually totally 100%f actually correct?

People state opinions and hearsay on here all the time as if they are facts. Does that make me a dickhead? They do it to try to support their own theories and opinions on things in the hope that if it is read and repeated often enough it will become the truth.
But as I said, if you have the proof then the US law enforcement agencies would love you to share it with them, dick head!!!!

That’s “alleged dick head” to you pal.

[JDerrida]

It doesn’t prove your point, it proves they’re still getting away with what they want with zero consequences.

Are you talking about Begum?

[JDerrida]

If only Twitter was around during the Blair years there’s no way the Iraq was would have happened and we wouldn’t even have Isis!

Really, you're that naive?
Islamic terrorism is happening in every habitable continent on this planet, in a huge number of countries that has nothing to do with Blair or Bush.
It's no surprise that the majority of the 10 most dangerous countries are Islamic.
It's also no surprise that the majority of the 10 most wealthy countries in the world are Islamic.
Furthermore, it's also no surprise that the countries that most use slave labour are Islamic.

[JDerrida]

[QUOTE=surge;4953028]

I think people have been too quick to forget that she was a child when she left and for the majority of time since until this moment. It's also 35 days til Brexit. I probably don't have anything to connect the two.

She was 15 years old, not an innocent 3 year old.
She would know the difference between right and wrong.
We're not talking about some childish mistake or something done in the heat of the moment.
This was pre planned with her friends and they did what 'they' thought was right.
The bigger picture here, is that her father is allegedly a supporter of Islamic extremism and there are huge numbers of Muslims who support the ideology of ISIS even if they didn't personally go to fight.
Personally anyone who cheers every time there is a terrorist attack, they should be done for treason with a minimum 30 year tariff.
The fact she went to Raqqa at 15 is largely irrelevant as she is now a 19 year old woman.
She claims to have had two children previously, I dont necessarily believe that.
These people will say or do anything to manipulate their cause.
She is only wanting to come back because ISIS have been militarily defeated.
She still believes, probably more vehemently than ever before in the ISIS cause. She's even named her baby after a warlord!
After the second world war, the Nazis were dealt with by the Nuremburg trials.
Begum and all of the ISIS Scum should be held in detention camps, not refugee camps and trialled by the UN. Funding for all of this should be shared appropriately.

[Jimmy the Jock]

[QUOTE=JDerrida;4953048]

She was 15 years old, not an innocent 3 year old.
She would know the difference between right and wrong.
We're not talking about some childish mistake or something done in the heat of the moment.
This was pre planned with her friends and they did what 'they' thought was right.
The bigger picture here, is that her father is allegedly a supporter of Islamic extremism and there are huge numbers of Muslims who support the ideology of ISIS even if they didn't personally go to fight.
Personally anyone who cheers every time there is a terrorist attack, they should be done for treason with a minimum 30 year tariff.
The fact she went to Raqqa at 15 is largely irrelevant as she is now a 19 year old woman.
She claims to have had two children previously, I dont necessarily believe that.
These people will say or do anything to manipulate their cause.
She is only wanting to come back because ISIS have been militarily defeated.
She still believes, probably more vehemently than ever before in the ISIS cause. She's even named her baby after a warlord!
After the second world war, the Nazis were dealt with by the Nuremburg trials.
Begum and all of the ISIS Scum should be held in detention camps, not refugee camps and trialled by the UN. Funding for all of this should be shared appropriately.

I am not sure how you managed to do that , I can assure you that wasn't my quote.

[Croesy Blue]

Oh well this thread was interesting before the weirdos turned up. Not even worth reading it now.