Warnock your times up

[DubaiDai]

I gotta laugh We have basically a Championship team in the premier league. Have you watched us this season? We aren't feckin' Barcelona I'll have you know!!

A championship team put together by him.
We have not spent a fortune by premier standards but we have wasted millions.

[J R Hartley]

A championship team put together by him.
We have not spent a fortune by premier standards but we have wasted millions.

40m not including Sala and let’s be honest we haven’t improved the team at all

[Divine Wright]

40m not including Sala and let’s be honest we haven’t improved the team at all

pretty sure it's nearer 30

[Croesy Blue]

Have you looked at the table? Three bad results???

Where would you expect this team to be in the league? Have people all of a sudden forgot we were only promoted last year and didnt spend that much money? At the start of the season people would have bitten your hand off for this.

The last 3 games have been utter shite but I don’t think we should let that cloud out judgement too much.

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

Where would you expect this team to be in the league? Have people all of a sudden forgot we were only promoted last year and didnt spend that much money? At the start of the season people would have bitten your hand off for this.

The last 3 games have been utter shite but I don’t think we should let that cloud out judgement too much.

My point is/was that it isn't just about the last 3 games.

[Wolfmother]

Why? He took us from the bottom of the championship to promotion in a season and a half. We always knew this season was going to be a struggle and so it’s proving, yet after the Southampton game it looked like we had half a chance of survival. 3 poor performances and you want him sacked? Fulham are on their 3rd manager and Huddersfield their 2nd manager of the season, that’s not looking too clever for either of those sides

Agree. We should wait until we had five bad performances 👍

[jamieccfc]

I think he certainly needs to go next season and just enjoy the rest of his time left there’s a reason why he’s never lasted in this league

[ManBearPig]

At the moment, we still have a (slim) chance of staying up. Whilst that is the case Warnock deserves to stay after his efforts last season and for getting us 2 points from safety with 27 still to play for.

If by some miracle we do stay up then we would get a higher calibre manager than if we go down.

Unless we end up giving it to bellers anyway, in which case get rid now and hope for the best!

[Wolfmother]

pretty sure it's nearer 30

Tim will come along shortly and break the numbers down!

[celticknight]

Let's say for the sake of argument that Tan bounces Warnock out either on Monday morning or after the season. Who comes in?

Are we taking a punt on a lower league manager again? Going abroad 'cos it's trendy? I must say i haven't got the faintest idea where our next manager will come from.

[Michael Morris]

Staying up is worth over £100m

Surely to **** the owner should be making damn sure we don't miss out on that.

Neil has done an amazing job to get us here, to keep us in contention but now that the reality of relagation and the loss of so much money is staring us in the face surely from a business point of view Tan should be looking to make a senior decision to loo to protect his income stream.

We worked so hard to get here, we might not get the chance again. Stoke not finding it so easy are they, the Jacks neither.

[jeepster]

Staying up is worth over £100m

Surely to **** the owner should be making damn sure we don't miss out on that.

Neil has done an amazing job to get us here, to keep us in contention but now that the reality of relagation and the loss of so much money is staring us in the face surely from a business point of view Tan should be looking to make a senior decision to loo to protect his income stream.

We worked so hard to get here, we might not get the chance again. Stoke not finding it so easy are they, the Jacks neither.

Spot on

[ManBearPig]

Staying up is worth over £100m

Surely to **** the owner should be making damn sure we don't miss out on that.

Neil has done an amazing job to get us here, to keep us in contention but now that the reality of relagation and the loss of so much money is staring us in the face surely from a business point of view Tan should be looking to make a senior decision to loo to protect his income stream.

We worked so hard to get here, we might not get the chance again. Stoke not finding it so easy are they, the Jacks neither.

But who would you get in that would do better with this squad? If it wasn’t for the ongoing issues I would perhaps take a punt and hope belles has what it takes. Other than that, we could go for one of the usual suspects, alladyce, moyes, etc .

A young upcoming manager for the lower league may do the job but changing the style of play now, with the players we have, is not likely to have good results.

[billy.ronson]

But who would you get in that would do better with this squad? If it wasn’t for the ongoing issues I would perhaps take a punt and hope belles has what it takes. Other than that, we could go for one of the usual suspects, alladyce, moyes, etc .

A young upcoming manager for the lower league may do the job but changing the style of play now, with the players we have, is not likely to have good results.

After WHU next Saturday we have another 2 week break before Chelsea and I guess if anything is going to happen it will be after next week's game.

[chris lee]

I see the major points of this thread being

- No manager in the world would have kept this squad up combined with the lack of money we spent
- Neil, has done a good job getting us this close to survival this close to the end of the season
- however looks like we will go down considering recent performances and future fixtures.

- is there another manager we can bring in that could improve performances and make positive changes to our squad in a short period of time - probably not.
- Therefore stick with Neil till end of season (he deserves it) and make a decision in the summer, when we at least have time and much better options.
- the good news is - survival is really not essential and we should not be loosing our heads, we haven't gambled financially on survival and should go back to what I believe is genuinely the best league in the world, with a club that had a squad perfectly equipped to be competing in the championship.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

I see the major points of this thread being

- No manager in the world would have kept this squad up combined with the lack of money we spent
- Neil, has done a good job getting us this close to survival this close to the end of the season
- however looks like we will go down considering recent performances and future fixtures.

- is there another manager we can bring in that could improve performances and make positive changes to our squad in a short period of time - probably not.

I think we could have someone who could look at our squad with fresh eyes and consider who will get us out of this predicament. At the moment, Warnock is randomly picking sides in the vain hope that something works. When we had a relatively set side earlier on in the season, we reaped the benefits of it. Now it's being picked by Lancelot and set of balls number 4.

I also don't necessarily believe in sentiment when it comes to players and managers. They're often quick enough to move on if they get a better offer and don't give a stuff about loyalty.

[Baloo]

Staying up is worth over £100m

Surely to **** the owner should be making damn sure we don't miss out on that.

Neil has done an amazing job to get us here, to keep us in contention but now that the reality of relagation and the loss of so much money is staring us in the face surely from a business point of view Tan should be looking to make a senior decision to loo to protect his income stream.

We worked so hard to get here, we might not get the chance again. Stoke not finding it so easy are they, the Jacks neither.

I'd be pretty pleased if we bucked the trend and let him see out the season whatever happens, given he was pretty central to the 'we' that got us here. It may not make business sense but 'business' isn't really why I follow the City.

[Divine Wright]

Staying up is worth over £100m

Surely to **** the owner should be making damn sure we don't miss out on that.

Neil has done an amazing job to get us here, to keep us in contention but now that the reality of relagation and the loss of so much money is staring us in the face surely from a business point of view Tan should be looking to make a senior decision to loo to protect his income stream.

We worked so hard to get here, we might not get the chance again. Stoke not finding it so easy are they, the Jacks neither.

The board doesn’t mind going down. In fact, with the money spent and type of players signed, it’s obvious the plan was to speculate as little as possible, take the money and go home ( the championship).

Supposition based on an approach and expectation that was never present at board level is erroneous. There was never any real intent to consolidate our position in the PL.

[Forest Green Bluebird]

Please resign now

Jokanovic is available.

[Shute]

I wouldn't want anybody but Warnock in charge this season. The time to review things would be after the season. The plan before a ball was kicked was to buy players that would aid us in another promotion campaign if, as expected, we would be relegated. For us to be hanging on to a realistic chance of surviving is definitely bonus, especially after the traumatic 6 weeks we've had. Keep the faith and accept whatever happens.

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

I wouldn't want anybody but Warnock in charge this season. The time to review things would be after the season. The plan before a ball was kicked was to buy players that would aid us in another promotion campaign if, as expected, we would be relegated. For us to be hanging on to a realistic chance of surviving is definitely bonus, especially after the traumatic 6 weeks we've had. Keep the faith and accept whatever happens.

We have Reid and Murphy, that's about it (I purposely didn't include Smithies or Cunningham). The squad we have, when all the loanees go back to their clubs, will not be sufficiently good enough for a promotion challenge out of the Championship.

[Ger27]

I don't think long-term planning has ever been a priority of Warnock (can't blame him for that given the regularity of sackings) but I think the club needs to give it some thought. As it stands the first-team squad for next season is:

GOALKEEPERS: Etheridge, Smithies
DEFENCE: Morrison, Bamba (20), Connolly (20), Bennett, Cunnigham, Peltier (20)
CENTRE MID: Ralls, Bacuna
PATERSON: Paterson
WINGS: Murphy, Mendez-Laing, Hoilett,
FORWARD: Reid, Zahore (20), Ward (20), Healey (20)

That's a squad of 18, with 6 of them entering the final years of their contracts (the 20s).

The next manager will be different to Warnock and will not want some of the players. Regardless of the league we are in, we are going to need to bring in at least 7 new players in the summer. Does the club give Warnock the go-ahead to do this knowing that it'll be a new manager picking up the squad from 2020? In addition, how easy is it to attrack quality players if the player knows it'll be a new manager in charge after a season?

(This isn't intended as a post in favour of replacing Warnock, but I know it reads like that!).

[Ger27]

I don't think long-term planning has ever been a priority of Warnock (can't blame him for that given the regularity of sackings) but I think the club needs to give it some thought. As it stands the first-team squad for next season is:

GOALKEEPERS: Etheridge, Smithies
DEFENCE: Morrison, Bamba (20), Connolly (20), Bennett, Cunnigham, Peltier (20)
CENTRE MID: Ralls, Bacuna
PATERSON: Paterson
WINGS: Murphy, Mendez-Laing, Hoilett,
FORWARD: Reid, Mainde, Zahore (20), Ward (20), Healey (20), Tomlin (20), Bogle (20)

That's a squad of 21, with 8 of them entering the final years of their contracts (the 20s).

The next manager will be different to Warnock and will not want some of the players. Regardless of the league we are in, we are going to need to bring in at least 7 new players in the summer. Does the club give Warnock the go-ahead to do this knowing that it'll be a new manager picking up the squad from 2020? In addition, how easy is it to attrack quality players if the player knows it'll be a new manager in charge after a season?

(This isn't intended as a post in favour of replacing Warnock, but I know it reads like that!).

Corrected for the players out on loan coming back!

[Spooky Tree]

Corrected for the players out on loan coming back!

PATERSON: Paterson

[the other bob wilson]

We have Reid and Murphy, that's about it (I purposely didn't include Smithies or Cunningham). The squad we have, when all the loanees go back to their clubs, will not be sufficiently good enough for a promotion challenge out of the Championship.

Important players will also be two years older than they were in 17/18 and into or nearing the veteran stage of their career.