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  1. #61

    Re: Think thatís us done

    Quote Originally Posted by Lawnmower View Post
    Manga spoke to my mate the other day and is settled and wants to stay.. whether he does or not is another thing.

    I think Connolly is out of contract too

    Only loss out of the others is Gunnar and he may still stay yet.

    The other 3 can leave

    Firstly I donít think itís over yet.

    Massive game next Sat, you never know..

    But if we do go down then weíve got 2 top keepers

    2 excellent centre backs.., Bamba and Morrison

    2 very good left backs.. Bennett and Cunningham

    One decent Championship right back.. Peltier

    Then some decent midfielders ... Ralls and Bacuna ( plus one who I expect to step up from the youth very soon)

    3 very good wide men at that level.. Murphy, NML, Hoillet

    Then Reid, Zohore, Ward ( Iíd expect Healey to go) up front.
    Possibly a rejuvenated Madine too.

    3 or 4 decent acquisitions and weíd have a very good Championship squad. I canít see many players being sold as not many have stood out enough to be bought by Premier league clubs.

    The big challenge will be for the manager to motivate them to go for it again.


    Saying all that - itís far from over yet and as anyone who knows me will know I wonít give up until itís mathematically impossible
    Make that 1 keeper. Etheridge will deffo find another premier club. Ironically when ee last got relegated, Marshall left for Hull, and we know how that panned out.

  2. #62

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    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    Bamba is one of the best players we have signed in the last ten years. To put all the blame on one player is ridiculous. Sounds like you want to raise a possee and go have a lynching. The team are all in it together and the fans should stand behind the team together. Why should the players put the effort in to get back into a match if they are playing in a half empty stadium. We were only 2-0 down to Everton when people started leaving.
    A lynching? you need to be careful with your words. He was at fault for both goals, one of them was youth team stuff, what chance do we give ourselves if players make mistakes like that? Why are you talking about half empty stadiums-What has that got to do with my observations and opinion?

  3. #63

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    A lynching? you need to be careful with your words. He was at fault for both goals, one of them was youth team stuff, what chance do we give ourselves if players make mistakes like that? Why are you talking about half empty stadiums-What has that got to do with my observations and opinion?
    Stupid thing to say agreed.

  4. #64

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watamistakatomaka View Post
    Make that 1 keeper. Etheridge will deffo find another premier club. Ironically when ee last got relegated, Marshall left for Hull, and we know how that panned out.
    I wouldnít be so sure.
    Most Prem clubs have at least 2 top quality keepers.

    Would he want to leave to be 2nd or 3rd choice at Burnley or Newcastle ?

    Weíd want a big fee too

  5. #65

    Re: Think thatís us done

    Quote Originally Posted by Lawnmower View Post
    Manga spoke to my mate the other day and is settled and wants to stay.. whether he does or not is another thing.

    I think Connolly is out of contract too

    Only loss out of the others is Gunnar and he may still stay yet.

    The other 3 can leave

    Firstly I donít think itís over yet.

    Massive game next Sat, you never know..

    But if we do go down then weíve got 2 top keepers

    2 excellent centre backs.., Bamba and Morrison

    2 very good left backs.. Bennett and Cunningham

    One decent Championship right back.. Peltier

    Then some decent midfielders ... Ralls and Bacuna ( plus one who I expect to step up from the youth very soon)

    3 very good wide men at that level.. Murphy, NML, Hoillet

    Then Reid, Zohore, Ward ( Iíd expect Healey to go) up front.
    Possibly a rejuvenated Madine too.

    3 or 4 decent acquisitions and weíd have a very good Championship squad. I canít see many players being sold as not many have stood out enough to be bought by Premier league clubs.

    The big challenge will be for the manager to motivate them to go for it again.


    Saying all that - itís far from over yet and as anyone who knows me will know I wonít give up until itís mathematically impossible
    This is the problem. We had a good Championship squad made better by Warnock's knowledge of the division and our ability to stop teams playing. We managed to win promotion with a midfield that couldn't pass water and striking options which were not good enough.

    Reid is decent up top but I'm still not convinced Zohore can guarantee a good season and I'd offload him. I would argue that, since the departure of Bothroyd and Chopra, we haven't had a front two as good as those. Ward and Bogle can go as well.

    Our midfield can't pass water. I mentioned a while ago, maybe even last season, that the club has brought in very few technically good midfielders in recent times. They've all been battlers. Our best midfield passer of this century has been McPhail, followed by Whitts, though I preferred Whittingham having a free attacking role out wide. Camarasa won't stay if we go down (probably won't stay if we somehow stay up). It's about time we had a go at being a team that can keep possession and look to break down opponents, rather than play a long ball game.

  6. #66

    Re: Think thatís us done

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    This is the problem. We had a good Championship squad made better by Warnock's knowledge of the division and our ability to stop teams playing. We managed to win promotion with a midfield that couldn't pass water and striking options which were not good enough.

    Reid is decent up top but I'm still not convinced Zohore can guarantee a good season and I'd offload him. I would argue that, since the departure of Bothroyd and Chopra, we haven't had a front two as good as those. Ward and Bogle can go as well.

    Our midfield can't pass water. I mentioned a while ago, maybe even last season, that the club has brought in very few technically good midfielders in recent times. They've all been battlers. Our best midfield passer of this century has been McPhail, followed by Whitts, though I preferred Whittingham having a free attacking role out wide. Camarasa won't stay if we go down (probably won't stay if we somehow stay up). It's about time we had a go at being a team that can keep possession and look to break down opponents, rather than play a long ball game.
    There’s too many grafters in our side who can only get you so far, what has disappointed me this season is that we’ve been so poor from the things we are supposed to be good at like set pieces yesterday for example we all must surely know that boly is a beast so when you take these stupid long throws he’s the last person you want to aim it at yet everyone was to him. Warnock dropped a bollock yesterday dropping all our main wingers from the entire squad as we no longer had another option and why does he only ever replace the front 3 no matter how the rest are playing

  7. #67

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    Some players get far too highly rated after theyve gone.

  8. #68

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamieccfc View Post
    There’s too many grafters in our side who can only get you so far, what has disappointed me this season is that we’ve been so poor from the things we are supposed to be good at like set pieces yesterday for example we all must surely know that boly is a beast so when you take these stupid long throws he’s the last person you want to aim it at yet everyone was to him. Warnock dropped a bollock yesterday dropping all our main wingers from the entire squad as we no longer had another option and why does he only ever replace the front 3 no matter how the rest are playing
    Iíve said before, weíve got enough big players not to always have to go for Morrison at the throws.

    However if you have 1 or 2 dominant centre halfs then because the throws ( especially Gunnars) are so loopy one man can cover a pretty big area as he will have so long to get to them.

    Morrisonís throws are flatter and better, but there doesnít seem much ch confidence in anyone else winning anything from them.

    Boly really is a beast though and I agree, we needed to do what we could to keep it away from him.

    Not easy though.

    Some shorter throws or ones to the outer part of the box just to create some doubt would help, however we just donít win enough of them to have the option of mixing it up.

  9. #69

    Re: Think thatís us done

    Quote Originally Posted by Lawnmower View Post
    I’ve said before, we’ve got enough big players not to always have to go for Morrison at the throws.

    However if you have 1 or 2 dominant centre halfs then because the throws ( especially Gunnars) are so loopy one man can cover a pretty big area as he will have so long to get to them.

    Morrison’s throws are flatter and better, but there doesn’t seem much ch confidence in anyone else winning anything from them.

    Boly really is a beast though and I agree, we needed to do what we could to keep it away from him.

    Not easy though.

    Some shorter throws or ones to the outer part of the box just to create some doubt would help, however we just don’t win enough of them to have the option of mixing it up.
    It’s very frustrating Tim why we keep persisting with just cause there’s a small chance it may come off yet it puts us under more pressure as it makes it easy for teams to counter against us

  10. #70

    Re: Think thatís us done

    Quote Originally Posted by jamieccfc View Post
    There’s too many grafters in our side who can only get you so far, what has disappointed me this season is that we’ve been so poor from the things we are supposed to be good at like set pieces yesterday for example we all must surely know that boly is a beast so when you take these stupid long throws he’s the last person you want to aim it at yet everyone was to him.
    It hasn't helped that players in the Premier League seem to be bigger and stronger than they are in the Championship. We've looked quite a lightweight side in some games and our physical prowess, which worked so well in the 2nd tier, hasn't been particularly effective.

    Our pass success rate is up from 59% last season to 64%, still woeful for Premier League standards. Despite being a long ball side (or one that gets it from back to front quickly), we have the worst long ball success rate in the PL and, it may come as no surprise, we have the worst short pass success rate as well (73%, almost 6% worse than Burnley). Such poor passing was unlikely to give us a chance.

    Some might say that Leicester won the PL with a pass success rate of 70%. They had great forwards with terrifying pace, a midfield that would press and make the opposition make mistakes and a solid back 4 that gave nothing away. We haven't had a forward for most of the season, have a back 4 that are prone to errors and a midfield that sits back and hopes for a mistake to give us the ball.

  11. #71

    Re: Think thatís us done

    Quote Originally Posted by jamieccfc View Post
    It’s very frustrating Tim why we keep persisting with just cause there’s a small chance it may come off yet it puts us under more pressure as it makes it easy for teams to counter against us
    It's not only that all of these throws come to nothing, they also stop any momentum we may have built up (especially if someone like Morrison has got to trot fifty yards or more to take it). We are not, and don't want to be, a side that passes the opposition to death, we try to hustle and harry teams into mistakes, but the endless long throws we see only allow them to get organised.

  12. #72

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    Went through this thread and found myself agreeing with the pessimistic posters yet having slept on it now find myself agreeing with the optimists. Probably sums up our rollercoaster season.

    When I think about it rationally I expected us to get relegated before the season began but hoped weíd make a fight of it.

    I think weíve done the latter, and weíre still in with a shout, but if pushed Iíd say weíll be relegated after 36 (maybe 37) games.

    Iíll be gutted if that happens as Iíd love to see what we might turn into if we had 3 or more years to build and go again and again. Feels like we have some reasonable financial muscle if Tan wanted to go for it and we would certainly have the fan base to drive other revenue other than TV money

    Iím resigned to the fact that Cardiff City will never realise our potential in my lifetime which is the bit I hate most
    Last edited by StraightOuttaCanton; 03-03-19 at 18:26. Reason: Adding

  13. #73

    Re: Think thatís us done

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    A lynching? you need to be careful with your words. He was at fault for both goals, one of them was youth team stuff, what chance do we give ourselves if players make mistakes like that? Why are you talking about half empty stadiums-What has that got to do with my observations and opinion?
    Why are you making out that I recommended a lynching ? It was your words that gave the impression of a witch hunt against Bamba, as you well know. Get off individual players backs and support them when they need it most. If you go to home games, do you walk out with twenty minutes to go - wouldnt be surprised with your attitude.

  14. #74

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Wright View Post
    Stupid thing to say agreed.
    Honest to god - which century are you living in. Why dont you actually read my post before jumping in. What I said was an analogy of what Tuerto had posted about Bamba. Simple.

  15. #75

    Re: Think thatís us done

    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    Why are you making out that I recommended a lynching ? It was your words that gave the impression of a witch hunt against Bamba, as you well know. Get off individual players backs and support them when they need it most. If you go to home games, do you walk out with twenty minutes to go - wouldnt be surprised with your attitude.
    You know what you said-Cretin.

  16. #76

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    Whatever, it seems you need to have a squad worth 200 million and spend over 75/80 million in wages just to survive in the PL.
    it takes time to build up a squad to that level or a very clever manager with contacts like wolves did. We are nowhere near either of these two figures, if we did survive we’d get a few more players and no doubt the wages would rise too. Even the jacks were paying out 90 million last season. Is it worth it?

  17. #77

    Re: Think thatís us done

    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    Whatever, it seems you need to have a squad worth 200 million and spend over 75/80 million in wages just to survive in the PL.
    it takes time to build up a squad to that level or a very clever manager with contacts like wolves did. We are nowhere near either of these two figures, if we did survive we’d get a few more players and no doubt the wages would rise too. Even the jacks were paying out 90 million last season. Is it worth it?
    I picked Watford to have a look at their transfers and over the last 3 seasons they have spent 150 million and sold players for 100 million this is based on transfer market so I’m not sure how accurate they are but I did notice they only payed 12 million for deulofeu which shows how much value for money you can get abroad they didn’t even pay much for richarlison which also shows how beneficial good scouting systems are I just wish the club would prioritise setting up a good scouting network across the globe as there is brilliant talent out there for little money

  18. #78

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    Mr Churcill says

    "We gotta fight the bloody battle to the very end''

  19. #79

    Re: Think thatís us done

    Quote Originally Posted by jamieccfc View Post
    I picked Watford to have a look at their transfers and over the last 3 seasons they have spent 150 million and sold players for 100 million this is based on transfer market so Iím not sure how accurate they are but I did notice they only payed 12 million for deulofeu which shows how much value for money you can get abroad they didnít even pay much for richarlison which also shows how beneficial good scouting systems are I just wish the club would prioritise setting up a good scouting network across the globe as there is brilliant talent out there for little money
    Talksport did an excellent article/interview with the CEO of Watford last week. An insight how they developed their system of scouting. None is rocket science..

  20. #80

    Re: Think thatís us done

    Quote Originally Posted by jamieccfc View Post
    I picked Watford to have a look at their transfers and over the last 3 seasons they have spent 150 million and sold players for 100 million this is based on transfer market so I’m not sure how accurate they are but I did notice they only payed 12 million for deulofeu which shows how much value for money you can get abroad they didn’t even pay much for richarlison which also shows how beneficial good scouting systems are I just wish the club would prioritise setting up a good scouting network across the globe as there is brilliant talent out there for little money
    I was talking to a Watford fan after the gam and he went into detail about how they have kept continuity at the club despite the revolving door of managers.

    He also said they spent ( IIRC) £9m on scouting last season and have a well established and comprehensive international scouting system.
    Helped of course by their ownerís links.

    We are light years behind this.

  21. #81

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawnmower View Post
    I was talking to a Watford fan after the gam and he went into detail about how they have kept continuity at the club despite the revolving door of managers.

    He also said they spent ( IIRC) £9m on scouting last season and have a well established and comprehensive international scouting system.
    Helped of course by their ownerís links.

    We are light years behind this.
    I think itís something we should be aiming to do Tim the benefits are massive even if weíre selling these players on withing a couple of years I think they made 30 million profit on richarlison now I know itís easier said than done but I would rather spend 10 million on a scouting network than 1 player

  22. #82

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamieccfc View Post
    I think itís something we should be aiming to do Tim the benefits are massive even if weíre selling these players on withing a couple of years I think they made 30 million profit on richarlison now I know itís easier said than done but I would rather spend 10 million on a scouting network than 1 player
    I guess itís chicken and egg .

    You need to be at the top level for a few seasons to pay for it, but you havenít much chance of staying there unless you do !

  23. #83

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamieccfc View Post
    I think it’s something we should be aiming to do Tim the benefits are massive even if we’re selling these players on withing a couple of years I think they made 30 million profit on richarlison now I know it’s easier said than done but I would rather spend 10 million on a scouting network than 1 player
    Amazed VT doesnt go down this road, with his fingers in various clubs etc....Watford haven’t even spent much net have they? And with his natural hate of agents surely it would make sense to get a tried and trusted network set up? Do we need a Spanish or South American manager?

  24. #84

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    Do we need a Spanish or South American manager?
    Not if they speak poor English apparently

  25. #85

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnojek View Post
    Not if they speak poor English apparently
    But they may have a chance if they jump up and down and wave their arms around on the touchline a lot.

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