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Thread: Former England manager ffs

  1. #26

    Re: Former England manager ffs

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I remember a few seasons ago, I looked at foreign managers in the championship, there were something like 5 of them at the time, and 4 were in the top 6
    Updated for this season, there are 4 foreign managers.

    2 are currently occupying the top 2 positions, at Leeds and Norwich, then one at Brentford who are doing pretty well for a club of their income and lastly one at reading who are shit

  2. #27

    Re: Former England manager ffs

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    Aw c’mon, Man City-boring. 79 goals in 30 league games, last minute winners in Europe!! Hardly Catenaccio is it? I love watching them in full flow, even more so when they’re sticking it to Man U & Liverpool.
    In 'full flow' yes..

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  4. #29

    Re: Former England manager ffs

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I remember a few seasons ago, I looked at foreign managers in the championship, there were something like 5 of them at the time, and 4 were in the top 6
    Why do you think foreign managers are generally more successful?

  5. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehumblegringo View Post
    Why do you think foreign managers are generally more successful?
    Perhaps they’ll only leave their homeland when there’s a guarantee of money to spend resulting in a strong squad. Our only foreign manager spent on dubious quality, although is Solksjaer your typical foreign manager having spent years in the English system?

  6. #31

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehumblegringo View Post
    Why do you think foreign managers are generally more successful?
    Not sure of the situation now, but historically they've put far more emphasis on coach training and development. Spain and Germany had many times more qualified coaches than England.
    You see a lot more tactical innovation and new approaches to the game than in British football generally.
    I think it probably has its roots in the difference at youth level, where in other countries there used to be a lot more emphasis on developing the players whereas here it was all about winning, so teams would just pick the biggest kids and lump it forward.

  7. #32

    Re: Former England manager ffs

    He seems bitter.

    That said, England is a very faddy place, which is good in the sense that they are open to foreign imports but I think they can get carried away with the latest new thing without understanding whether or not it’s any good.

    When he talks about foreign people bringing up their kids better than English people, I wonder what he’s referring to? Diet? Socialising? Knowing how to drink without turning into a chump? Wearing the appropriate clothes for different weather conditions?

  8. #33

    Re: Former England manager ffs

    Quote Originally Posted by thehumblegringo View Post
    Why do you think foreign managers are generally more successful?
    My mate has a theory that in the UK, football is predominantly a working class game while abroad, it is a game for all walks of life, so managers abroad often have better educations, smarter etc.

    I think our football is harmed by the pitches we play on, and our football isn't as good because of it. We don't have the pitches or facilities down to weather and money (which is ridiculous with riches of PL) etc, whereas in Spain and Italy etc, you can get the ball down and play from an early age. Also, culturally British football fans like to see tackles and battles, whereas abroad this isn't as common.

  9. #34

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    I think education is seeing differently amongst the work class abroad too. In school here anyone doing well or trying gets a load of shit from their mates. In Europe at least it seems much more acceptable to work hard and get a decent education.

  10. #35

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    "xenophobic" ?? At least he doesn't wet his pants like the rest of the media about the 'luigi's and Pietro's' of this footballing world. Watching Man. City play football is the closest thing to pure boredom as you can get. 'Evolved' ? no.
    Man City are a joy to watch and look like they can score every time they go forward...which they usually do judging by the amount they’ve scored this season.

  11. #36

    Re: Former England manager ffs

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    My mate has a theory that in the UK, football is predominantly a working class game while abroad, it is a game for all walks of life, so managers abroad often have better educations, smarter etc.

    I think our football is harmed by the pitches we play on, and our football isn't as good because of it. We don't have the pitches or facilities down to weather and money (which is ridiculous with riches of PL) etc, whereas in Spain and Italy etc, you can get the ball down and play from an early age. Also, culturally British football fans like to see tackles and battles, whereas abroad this isn't as common.
    These 4G pitches seem to be popping up everywhere nowadays which is a good thing imo it’s just hard to book them because the demand is so high, it makes me sick how much the premier league clubs are getting while all the lower league clubs are struggling to stay afloat then you have grass roots I just don’t know where all the money is going

  12. #37

    Re: Former England manager ffs

    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    "xenophobic" ?? At least he doesn't wet his pants like the rest of the media about the 'luigi's and Pietro's' of this footballing world. Watching Man. City play football is the closest thing to pure boredom as you can get. 'Evolved' ? no.
    How would you describe the football you would prefer to see?

  13. #38

    Re: Former England manager ffs

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    I think education is seeing differently amongst the work class abroad too. In school here anyone doing well or trying gets a load of shit from their mates. In Europe at least it seems much more acceptable to work hard and get a decent education.
    Defo. In Spain , the working classes see education as a privilege. They are also mad about technicalities and details. It definitely seems to be reflected in their football.

  14. #39

    Re: Former England manager ffs

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    Not sure of the situation now, but historically they've put far more emphasis on coach training and development. Spain and Germany had many times more qualified coaches than England.
    You see a lot more tactical innovation and new approaches to the game than in British football generally.
    I think it probably has its roots in the difference at youth level, where in other countries there used to be a lot more emphasis on developing the players whereas here it was all about winning, so teams would just pick the biggest kids and lump it forward.
    I agree and I also think we are far more insular as a people and less willing to broaden our horizons elsewhere.

    If you look at Graham Potter for example he was willing to uproot and go to Sweden where he was challenged in ways he wouldn't have experienced here.

    I do think the tide is turning though. There is far more thought going into the development of footballers than there was 15 years ago.

    Little children are encouraged to stay on the ball and dribble to give them a foundation and winning is now becoming secondary. It's interesting that only recently (beginning with Arsenal I believe) has strength and conditioning been given any credence at academy levels.

    The fact that dinosaurs like Sam Allardyce and co are now getting frozen out highlights this. It's not enough to rant and show pashun anymore and players expect more.

    I listened to a good podcast by Guillem Balague about Bielsa the other day and it was interesting that he was interviewing Adam Forshaw and Forshaw said he had no intention of going into management until he worked under Bielsa now he's seen what it can be he wants to give it a go.

    http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediasele...d/p0725505.mp3

    Kids going to Germany and experiencing different cultures can only be good for our game and can only further the game in this country.

  15. #40

    Re: Former England manager ffs

    Quote Originally Posted by thehumblegringo View Post
    I agree and I also think we are far more insular as a people and less willing to broaden our horizons elsewhere.

    If you look at Graham Potter for example he was willing to uproot and go to Sweden where he was challenged in ways he wouldn't have experienced here.

    I do think the tide is turning though. There is far more thought going into the development of footballers than there was 15 years ago.

    Little children are encouraged to stay on the ball and dribble to give them a foundation and winning is now becoming secondary. It's interesting that only recently (beginning with Arsenal I believe) has strength and conditioning been given any credence at academy levels.

    The fact that dinosaurs like Sam Allardyce and co are now getting frozen out highlights this. It's not enough to rant and show pashun anymore and players expect more.

    I listened to a good podcast by Guillem Balague about Bielsa the other day and it was interesting that he was interviewing Adam Forshaw and Forshaw said he had no intention of going into management until he worked under Bielsa now he's seen what it can be he wants to give it a go.

    http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediasele...d/p0725505.mp3

    Kids going to Germany and experiencing different cultures can only be good for our game and can only further the game in this country.
    For all the faults of the model that Chelsea and man city are running, they are at least taking youth coaching really seriously, and investigating a lot in the process.

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