Originally Posted by Watamistakatomaka
What rules have they forced on you? What laws are we unable to implement?
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What rules have they forced on you? What laws are we unable to implement?
Wales may well be a country that benefits, as it has large rural areas surrounded by sea and natural beauty .
Instead of farmers having to be subsided to not farm and fisherman abiding by quotas , we may see a flourish of farming in food ,sheep etc that leads to local jobs , increased in localised food production, and supply ,if we have a strength it's in our land.
I've seen at first hand the Kinnock gravy train, it was both disturbing and disappointing.
I was shocked how socialist could be so near the class divide.
Control our borders? I'll count that as a vote for keep the brown fellas out.
I count that as a vote for a merit based system, which is the method used by nearly every country in the world. It's funny how people view things differently isn't it.
So, apart from EU citizens, why don't we do that ourselves for non-EU citizens and why don't we deport those who are out of work and cannot sustain themselves?
The problem with the border control argument is that we already have control of the borders, we just don’t use the powers we have - again, not the fault of the EU.
Really surprises me that some people haven't cottoned onto this yet. They have been told for the last three years, must be a bit thick.
But we could have made it harder to come here just like France do, our government couldn’t be arsed.
Plus if you come from the eu and don’t have a job in 3 months you have to go back.
If the U.K. government didn’t use the immigration controls then why would they now?
Plus what is wrong with eu immigration?
France also, like the Mediterranean countries, ignore the "Asylum at first country of entry" laws and happily allow people to cross their country to get to UK. The way to stop people to europe in small boats is to insist all people picked up are returned to a port in the country they just left. They would soon get the message. Then they could apply to come to europe through the proper procedure.
The way EU citizens get round the 3 month rule is bt setting up private companies and sending their families out to work for the. Big Issue sellers are a case in point. The eastern European women you see selling those aren't homeless.
Mogwyn Morris created the Politics forum because he was sucked off with threads such as this one appearing here, and yet here we are on page 9. WTF is going on?
Very informative post indeed. Hugely depressing too, of course - and yours is just one example.
Not nice to read when people are going to lose jobs . the car industry is going through challenging times
on the flip side lot's of manufacturing companies are still doing well . the company I,m contracting for will be opening up a new facility in the midlands creating 1,000 highly skilled jobs the end of this year and lot's of companies in the UK are still complaining about the lack of skilled people too especially in Engineering . Just a pity our government can't get there act together well they've had 2 and half years too .what a shambles from our prime minister
Mozzer, we're actually doing very well, our turnover and profit will be the best ever this FY and we have a world leading product both technology wise & market share, so this situation is a massive kick in the teeth.
Your comment on skilled people is spot on & ironically only around 20% of the recent skilled staff are of UK origin. We currently have staff of 23 global nationalities. We've recently put in place a mature apprentice scheme. University graduate recruitment has been dire, so we're now putting them through an apprenticeship post University.
agree about the standard of university graduates coming through the ranks . it comes to something when someone spends 3 years at university studying a topic and then you have to send them out again to do an apprenticeship especially most owe about 50k when they graduate . something is drastically wrong the way our government is telling youngsters you need a degree to get on in life
let's get back to basics and tell business leaders to promote engineering apprenticeships first before going anywhere near a degree a proper grounding to the real world of work and as for percentage of british workers I fully know where your coming from when I was at JLR a few years ago I was the only Brit in a team of 15 Engineers in our department !!
I do think out of brexit will be new opportunities. As one door closes another opens.
I often wonder if Brexit is the best or worst thing ever to happen to British politics. Never in my lifetime has politics been as debated as it is now. Every last detail is now part of conversation whereas before conversation was mostly “what’s on tele tonight”
What opportunities mate?
I must admit I would like to know what these opportunities are. Since the referendum was announced I have yet to hear an "opportunity" that wasn't a blatant lie.
No doubt sovereignty will be trotted out by someone but all parliament has shown us in the last few years is they are totally unfit and unable to govern the UK.
Better trade opportunities
Why would negotiating on our own be better than negotiating as part of the biggest bloc?
Why are you bringing up non eu migration?
Then the loop holes need to be closed then, what makes you think our government ignoring them now won’t when we leave the EU?
France and Spain make it much harder to stay there as an EU citizen in my personal experience. We don’t.
Also why are you so fixated on migration? It’s hardly the biggest issue affecting the U.K. in a negative way at all. It seems your whole argument boils down to it.
Migrants to the U.K. have a net positive effect on the economy. Why are you so against them?
It's not "My Whole arguement" I was just responding to other posters.
I really don't give a toss, whatever happens we will survive. As I mentioned in my first post, I was a remainer but now we have voted to get out the politicians should do it and not try to cock everything up, whatever the benefits or downside.
If they force us to go begging to cancel the Article 50 the EU will trample all over us for years to come, knowing they can shovel any shit they like on us because we are too week to argue. You can just imagine it every time we disagree with a proposal, some fench twat saying, "well if you don't like it you can always leave haha haha"
no thanks.
Yeah, like an EU army, mandatory single currency, and no more opt-outs.
The petition is very close to becoming the most signed UK petition of all time
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584
It is now officially the most signed petition in UK history with 4.16 million votes
Just became the most popular petition in parliament’s history. Perhaps not too surprising really, but I think it’s got legs in it yet too. I think we already knew the country is split so not quite sure if it will really tell us anything new.
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