They tell me if you had cognitive dissonance, then you probably wouldn't be aware of itOriginally Posted by Croesy Blue
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They tell me if you had cognitive dissonance, then you probably wouldn't be aware of it
It's incredible. A trade deal with the US is a massive opportunity when it's the UK but a real problem when it's the EU.
I find it amazing that anyone can look at what is happening and still think, yeah this is gonna work out well in the end. Even if you're dead keen on the idea of brexit, just look at the people currently in parliament. We have no chance.
We can have trade deals with both
But why would we get better than we have now when every sign is saying our economy will reduce following Brexit? And if freedom of movement is cost of our current trade deal with the EU then what will be the acceptable cost of a trade deal with the US post-Brexit?We can have trade deals with both
Well that is a whole new can of worms. Denied the opportunity to elect a representative to act in their interests in parliament, no.
People not understanding what they are voting for is a pretty good argument for not holding referendums. But then we are denied the right to vote on all sorts of things.
People knew what they were voting for, you are just repeating the media construct that they didn't know.
Seems a bit opinioish for someone who deals only in facts - my own opinion, and recollection from the way the matter was discussed three years ago, is that people leaving without a deal, which someone like you would, apparently, have us believe was the preferred method of getting out of the EU on Referendum day was barely discussed.
Cameron made it very clear what leave meant in his Chatham House speach.
A major Leave politician Daniel Hannan said that if we left the EU our position in the Single Market would not be threatened. What do Cameron and Hannan have in common? They are Tories. Tory politicians lie for a living.
Assuming you can’t be bothered to turn back a page and find it - I have copied and pasted it below for your convenience:
Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Brexiteers don't need to put it to another vote. They won, remember?
Yes, but won what? A leave with or without a deal or does it not really matter as long as we leave?
I'm quite intrigued what the pro no deal people think of the long term. Do they never want a deal with the EU?
The result isn't important, you basically implied they couldn't fight... One country controlled most of continental Europe for years due to their armies, the fact that pretty much every other power within Europe had to come together to beat that one country suggests that they could fight.
Also how about the 100 years war... I think the French actually won that one eventually but some idiot named it before it had finished!
Last edited by speedyblue; 06-04-19 at 22:41. Reason: autocorrect error
We already have one with both. The US are not going to give little UK the same trade deal as they give the big EU... That's how trade deals work.... The bigger you are the better the deal you get. It also takes years to negotiate trade deals, they don't just grow in trees and personally I wouldn't trust this government to negotiate a reduced price on a sofa from DFSWe can have trade deals with both
Little UK is the 5th biggest economy in the world
One place behind Germany who are, we are told, getting themselves into a terrible state at the prospect of a no deal Brexit and yet Farage and the ERG nutters keep on banging on about what a great opportunity such a situation would provide us withLittle UK is the 5th biggest economy in the world.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angu...s_by_GDP_(PPP)One place behind Germany who are, we are told, getting themselves into a terrible state at the prospect of a no deal Brexit and yet Farage and the ERG nutters keep on banging on about what a great opportunity such a situation would provide us with
In 1980 we were eighth, 1990 eighth, 2000 tenth, 2010 ninth.
Almost as if the way the EU has changed has been good for us. It's another example of the cognitive dissonance mentioned earlier. Brexiters really shouldn't be using our good economy as an argument, but for some reason they do.
How can anyone say any of one’s what we were voting for? In November 2016 (after the vote) everyone was still saying we would be in the single market. Johnson and Gove wrote articles on it for the sun.
This was after the no vote so anyone saying no deal was what was expected and wanted from the start is talking complete rubbish.
Here’s one from the month after the vote too, the gas lighting on this is ridiculous-
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-eu-referendum-single-market-brexit-a7104846.html
The public voted for no deal, Johnson is for Johnson and no one else hence he was said to have a different speech/article backing different sides ready depending on the result of Brexit.
When did the public vote for 'no deal'?
I missed that one.
That is what leave meant to most ordinary folk that voted out, I know many that voted leave and have asked them.
Mmm ok
In the early years, every time I asked a leave voter "Why?" I got a different answer.
Now all they do is repeat the mantra "Brexit means Brexit, Out means Out" the stupid ****ers have probably forgotten why they voted out in the first place. Twats.
The first person to say "No Deal" was May when she first uttered the phrase "No Deal is better than a Bad Deal". Until then, no-one countenanced it at all.
Yes quite, I use that one all the time ' no deal is better than a bad deal' because she now seems to think the exact opposite.
https://twitter.com/frankmcnallyit/s...866241536?s=21
Cognitive dissonance the order of the day for all brexitteers.
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