Let me ask you a question, why do you want brexit and what do you think the benefits are for the British people?Originally Posted by Joe Gillis
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Let me ask you a question, why do you want brexit and what do you think the benefits are for the British people?
Same question for you....
We debated why we wanted or didn't want Brexit two years ago. Now the issue is much bigger: whether parliament ignores the electorate.
I voted to leave but even if I hadn't I would be as angry about parliament's refusal to do what the electorate told them to do. If they didn't want us to decide they shouldn't have voted in favour of a referendum by a majority of 500. When they did, they ceded their authority to us. But because the result didn't go the way they expected they are reneging on their promise. You may feel that is of secondary importance to whether we stay in the EU or not. I don't. I know Remainers have a tendency to sneer at ideas such as sovereignty and democracy but I think they are moire important than EU membership.
Last edited by Robin Friday's Ghost; 21-03-19 at 17:14. Reason: typo
What does/did leaving mean to you? The problem with the ref in 2016 was it meant anything anyone wanted it to. "Easiest trade deal ever", Norway, Switzerland etc. It's incredibly poorly worded, solely Cameron's fault but I think a lot of people, myself included, are upset because nobody knew what Brexit was, and I'm tired of people saying they knew what they voted for, cos let's be honest, nobody had a clue. Also, in the latest poll, remain is 63% vs her deal at 37%, so I think we can safely say, people didn't vote for this.
To RFG:
But the last few days have shown how much sovereignty and democracy we actually have in this country. Nothing will change after we leave in that respect.
“Remainers” aren’t anti democracy, the bloody campaign has been proven to be illegal and full of lies, how is that democracy.
I’m asking for one benefit come on. Why did you vote leave?
Can someone please explain this logic to me?
Why is anyone referring it to sides like a sports team? Shouldn’t we want what’s best for the country?
How would another vote be I democratic?
Was the first vote which has been shown to have multiple illegal campaigns democratic in your eyes?
So what you’re basically saying is “16 million people are thick and led like sheep”
Bet you’re one of those in the playground who on losing the toss of a coin, says “best of three”
I knew it would be a conspiracy. What do you mean on purpose?
Again it’s not it’s just our government are incompetent and stupid. May’s deal was dead before it even started.
The EU have been negotiating what’s best for them, obviously that’s on purpose
What benefits were you expecting to come out of this that have been “purposely” missed.
You can stick your conspiracies where the sun don't shine. I called it 3 years ago after the staged Tory leadership contest, and it's turned out exactly as I predicted.
Look, if you believe my decision to vote leave was irrational and ill-informed, which you probably do, that's fine. As I said, the pros and cons of Brexit are of secondary importance to me.
The more important issue is whether parliament is allowed to ignore the voice of the electorate. I think the more important issue for you and many others is whether we stay in the EU. I think you're wrong.
Where have I said that? I completely understand why people voted leave, but those reasons are unachievedable.So what you’re basically saying is “16 million people are thick and led like sheep”
Bet you’re one of those in the playground who on losing the toss of a coin, says “best of three”
I’m the sort of person who doesn’t want the poor in this country to get poorer. I always vote on how I think the majority and the vulnerable will be better off.
Where have I said that? I’m just asking why you still think leaving is a good idea, what benefits will it bring?
Parliament are doing the exact thing they’re supposed to do, it’s called sovereignty.The more important issue is whether parliament is allowed to ignore the voice of the electorate. I think the more important issue for you and many others is whether we stay in the EU. I think you're wrong.
The more important issue for me is the wellbeing of the people in this country. Especially the poor and the working classes.
By the way, so far as I am aware neither campaign has been found guilty of electoral fraud. So neither campaign was illegal. And the Electoral Commission has said that there is no evidence that the irregularities it has found on the leave side had an effect on the result.
Am I saying something offensive asking people what the benefits of leaving are going to be?
Why are people acting like I’m on a wind up and insulting people.
I’m being fair and asking a reasonable question. I’m yet to get a straight answer.
The allegations have been proven. May hasn’t allowed any investigation into it because then they’d have to stop Brexit.
She doesn’t want to because her husband is a hedge fund manager who’s making millions from this.
Also the referendum was only advisory and not legally binding. All of the vote leave campaigns have actually been found guilty of electoral fraud. One was fined another £40k only this week. If the the referendum was legally binding it would have been declared null and void
You're wrong. We live in a representative democracy. In that system we elect MPs and, if they don't do what we want, we elect a different MP at the next election.
There is one exception to that - when the government (in this case supported overwhelmingly by Parliament) decides to use direct democracy in the form of a plebiscite.
When Parliament passed the issue over to us, and the government promised to act on our decision, they ceded their sovereignty to us. Their job was to act on what we decided. They haven't.
Can you show me evidence of where the leave campaign has been found guilty of fraud? You says it was acting illegally.
Look up the integrity initiative, they have a roster of journalists who have been pushing this stuff.
Are you ignoring the fact of it being a non binding referendum?
Parliament’s job is to serve the people of this country. If they’d have backed May’s deal they’d have been making us definitely worse off.
They’re working exactly how they are supposed to work.
I’m still waiting for one benefit of Brexit that you voted for.
And I'm not sure you want to bring hedge fund managers into the debate do you?
It’s turned out exactly as most people predicted it. There’s no underhandedness at play.
There’s a country with a useless government leaving a group of countries with whom they have a good deal. How exactly was it supposed to work differently?
Yes since they’re the ones who were funding the leave campaign. Have a look at how much money Farage, Rees-Mogg and Aaron Banks have made since the referendum.
I agree it was technically non-binding. I'm not ignoring that. I'm awarding more sigificance to the fact that we were told the result would be acted upon. The government spent £9m of our money telling us.
What you are doing is what disreputable companies do in telling people they should have read the small print when a different story was told in banner headlines in their ad.
And I'm not debating the pros and cons of Brexit with you. As I've said as nausum, it's not about that and I really don't care what you think my reasons might be.
Anyway I have to go make dinner. Enjoy your evening safe in the knowledge that if the government ignores 17.4m voters they're probably not too concerned about you or the other 999,999 who've signed this petition.
Which version of leave do you think we should adopt? Two of the leaders of the official voting leave campaign group, Gove and Johnson, think very differently. One supports May the other wants to leave with no deal. If these two have different opinions of what leaving means, surely the leave voters must be equally as split
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