So the Labour party (the one with the most female MP's) is mysogynistic in your opinion?Originally Posted by xsnaggle
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So the Labour party (the one with the most female MP's) is mysogynistic in your opinion?
I never named any party. Others did that. I don't really give a toss, but it was quite enlightening how fast some came to the labour party's defence. Or was it defence of what some seeing it as becoming??
Jon, I accept that is your view and your opinion but I don't accept everything you say, nor am I particularly interested.
This began because of another poster's direct personal attack on me and has nothing to do with this thread, but what I said to him obviously set some of you off. Give it up, we aren't going to agree.
Thinly veiled "I'll believe what I want and nothing else will sway me" post IMHO.
Same as almost everybody else really then. Particularly not going to be swayed left or right by anything posted here anyway. That's why I suggested it is given up.
But I don't think it was that thinly veiled, cummon eric??????
Fair enough. This won't go anywhere as a way of changing minds.
For what it's worth I left the Labour Party 6 years ago (after 27 years as a member) and have no organisational ties with them any more. I also have some major problems with the way Corbyn and his circle have led the party. But that is dwarfed in my mind by the positives he brings and by my anger at the dishonest and cynical way he has been attacked from outside and from within.
This isn't aimed at you xnaggle , because you're not interested, but two recent articles by maverick Conservative commentator Peter Oborne are interesting and very relevant to the original subject of the thread, and the campaign to get rid of Corbyn:
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ope...d-think-again/
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinio...r-leader-truth
Well Jon, at least now the 2 main parties have something in common, there are factions within each of them that wants desperately to get rid of the person leading them. If they both get ousted they'll probably end up drinking a scotch together in the Lords.
I actually liked Corbyn. I was far more labour leaning than conservative but this whole brexit debate has turned it upside down for me.
Corbyn who used to wear his heart on his sleeve now seems multi-faced. I don’t know where he stands anymore. I am pro-brexit, and I’m still not sure what Corbyn is.
Corbyn is quite obviously pro brexit, but he isn't willing to let the working class pay the cost of the financial disruption for it
I take it you’ve spoken to most of them?
Is that a wrong way to be? Remain is the known and leave is the unknown to a degree. It could work out fantastically so you need a bit of heart to go along with your head.
Virtually every economic expert, all independent fiscal institutions and even the government predict huge problems when we leave, with the harder the Brexit, the harder things will get for us. Even Prof. Minford, a right wing, pro no-deal supporting economist says it'll cost lots of jobs and will give us the chance to align our workforce (lower wages and less rights). Of course, all of these could be wrong. It could work out fantastically, but we're talking about basing an opinion on factual evidence or highly educated opinion, or disregarding those opinions either out of a self-belief that they are wrong or worse. I'm someone who is more interested in listening to educated opinions and facts rather than just believing something because I'm right and everyone else is not.
Out of interest, exactly how do you see it working out fantastically? What is the upside in your opinion?
Anyone?
So because you don’t like the leader of one of the parties you’ve completely changed your political leanings?
What about the lack of life saving medicine we are currently going through though? Even if these magical unicorns appear in 10 years (the opposite of what every economic forecaster has said) is it worth people dying in the mean time?
Your whole argument for it is, it could be great eventually. 1. It almost definitely won’t be, 2. No deal will economically cripple the country, 3. There are many other issues besides the economy that are already happening.
That’s without even mentioning taking freedom of movement away from British working class citizens is ridiculous.
You and Croesy are verging on the hysterical.
Listening to you 2, we may as well just roll over and let the EU do what ever they like.
Do you think the UK will collapse the minute we leave?
I don’t think the powers that be, thought for one minute that the result would be leave, and now the scaremongering is getting to epidemic proportions.
Just as it did when the Scotts had the audacity to go for an independence vote.
You can rest assured that you're doing your bit for the pockets of Farage, Banks, Rees-Mogg and so on.
Aren't leavers rolling over and letting them do what they like? Why is it ok for some to fight for what they believe in, but not others?
There’s literal proof for everything I’ve said. Which bit do you think isn’t true? I can back every single bit up.
Have you ever though it’s you being ignorant of the facts rather than people being hysterical?
It’s no wonder people believe brexit is going to be good when you watch that documentary about the illegal vote leave campaign.
Tailor made dark ads that created and spread outrageous lies.
Repeated and viewed by millions of people.
But only targeted at certain people, so they avoided showing them to people they thought would call them out.
Complete manipulation.
It’s no wonder the same people who these ads targeted believe brexit will be great and think everything else is “project fear”. Because that’s exactly what the ads say.
You only have to look at the language of certain posters who are still repeating the phrases used in the ads verbatim.
Not really. The leavers won the vote, and the UK will leave the EU. Job done.
You can rest assured that you won’t be lining the pockets much longer of the gravy train mob in the EU 👍
So why was it ok for them to fight for brexit but not ok for others to fight for economic stability and their jobs?
Wasn't just online ads that were lies. I received some mail at the time repeating the 350millikn line which by that time was known to be false. And suggesting that turkey were imminently joining the EU and even a map suggestiNg Iraq and Syria were roughly level with southern France, and a lot closer than they actually are.
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It’s not like one person is saying anything like roll over and let the eu do what they like either.
What people are saying is it’s better for Britain to be in the eu from an economic standpoint, a rights standpoint and a health stand point.
Also people need to stop speaking about the eu like it’s some overlord. We are part of the EU and have equal say. Britain has always been one of the most influential countries in the eu, stop believing everything that’s posted on your Facebook and in the sun.
So because the vote was “won” no one is allowed to say its bad?
On an unrelated note, I've just discovered that french overseas territories like Tahiti and Martinique count as part of the EU in terms of freedom of movement, same goes for Dutch and Portuguese overseas possessions
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